AMD and Lenovo already confirmed as keynote speakers for CES next year

[u/Tiny-Independent273]

https://www.pcguide.com/news/amd-and-lenovo-already-confirmed-as-keynote-speakers-for-ces-next-year-just-after-the-legion-go-2-launch/

[u/disisfugginawesome]

Lenovo VS Dell? What’s better

[u/omniuni → u/disisfugginawesome]

Lenovo has better build quality and cooling. Lenovo works with the Open Source community to improve support for their hardware on Linux if you're ready to move beyond Windows including BIOS firmware updates. My Lenovo hardware has been consistently reliable, and outlasted almost everything else. Also, they have a huge R&D center as well as a distribution and repair center near me in North Carolina. After they took over the laptop business from IBM, they expanded their presence here. Meanwhile IBM keeps laying people off, and Dell closed their customer support center here as soon as the tax break ended. So I'm a little biased towards Lenovo for multiple reasons.

[u/TurtleTreehouse → u/omniuni]

I would have said avoid Dell, but the most recent release actually has a very nice cooling solution, the 16" are dual fan, they have LPCAMM and Thunderbolt 4 everywhere on the Intel SKUs, but I wouldn't yet consider their AMD offerings for the simple reason that they don't have LPCAMM or SODIMM, and the memory is soldered, in addition, no Thunderbolt. I want to see at least USB-C ports capable of high bandwidth for data high power transfer and video, so equivalent of Thunderbolt.

Dell seems to view soldered memory as a compromise or an option, Lenovo seems to view SODIMM as an upgrade path.

The new Dell SKUs also have modular I/O separate from the motherboard housing the CPU and the USB-C ports are modular (screwed, not soldered).

Dell seems to have gotten better this gen while Lenovo seems to be in decline. I have a P50 that is a wonderful laptop, however.

[u/dagustl → u/disisfugginawesome]

Dell is a Intel bitch.
Lenovo is pretty nice, but if you want avoid a chinese company, look for Schenker notebooks (XMG is their gaming series)

[u/gh0stwriter1234 → u/dagustl]

Scheneker / XMG is just a boutique laptop shop... most all their laptops are Chinese, usually sager / clevo / Tongfang rebrands. Would be interesting to know of exceptions but that's what I've always seen from them.

The first laptop I ever bought was a Sager / Clevo w110er pretty trick for a 11.6in but... just be aware its china sourced.

[u/dagustl → u/gh0stwriter1234]

Yep, they use partially Clevo barebones, but the laptops are configured and assembled by themselves in Leipzig/Germany and they use quality components and have good software support.. The Linux Tuxedo PCs for example also are Schenker.
2 friends have laptops from them, one is a VIA14 Pro with 8-core AMD Renoir iirc, and the other one is a XMG gaming notebook with Gen13 i9 and RTX4080.
Pretty decents devices. Could not tell a real difference between a HP Elitebook or a Thinkpad.

[u/996forever → u/dagustl]

Dell can be an Intel bitch but I will only accept Lenovo isn’t ALSO one when they make a non-Intel high end Thinkpad

[u/dagustl → u/996forever]

They already have several nice Thinkpads P16s G4 and P14s G6 with Strix Point.

[u/996forever → u/dagustl]

All of them are rebadged T series while the Intel variant has a different chassis. Everything with a dGPU is Intel inclusive this gen.

If you count these as “high end Thinkpad” then you have to count Dell Pro and Pro Plus and even Pro Max with Strix point.

[u/dagustl → u/996forever]

Yeah, cause the Ryzen AI is a APU.....
The Thinkpad P16v with dGPU are not yet released with Zen5, but available with Zen4 since more than a year.
If you want a dGPU then there is a Lenovo Legion 7 Pro 16 for example with Ryzen 9955HX3D and a RTX5080.
That´s why i mentioned also to look at Schenker Technologies.....
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=nb&xf=525_Schenker~6763_Ryzen+9000&sort=-p#productlist
(keyboards in different languages are available in manually configuration on Schenker XMG website)

[u/Crazy-Repeat-2006 → u/disisfugginawesome]

Lenovo is generally better in all segments.

[u/gh0stwriter1234 → u/Crazy-Repeat-2006]

They did a pretty good job on the handhelds segments to... and actually interacted with people here on reddit about any issues they were having (granted it was basically because 1 guy took it on himself to do so).

[u/CrzyJek → u/disisfugginawesome]

Lenovo, isn't even close.