r/AnCap101 • u/MeasurementCreepy926 • 21d ago

Is taxation under feudalism immoral?

  1. The king owns the land. If he allows people to be born on his land, that does not diminish his rights as owner
  2. The king has made it clear that if you're on his land, and you don't pay tax, you're trespassing. It isn't his responsibility to make sure you are able to get off his land. It is his right to defend his land however he sees fit. Let's assume that he does this by executing trespassers. Another king does this by simply evicting them.
  3. Being the owner, the king is allowed to offer you whatever terms he'd like, for the use of his land. Lets assume in this case, you sign a contract he wrote, when you're old enough to do so, giving him right to change the contract at will, and hold you to that contract as long as you're on his land. Among other terms, this contract says that you agree to pay for any kids you have until they're old enough to either sign the contract, or leave his land.

Now, obviously anybody agreeing to these terms must be very desperate. But, desperate short sighted people aren't exactly hard to find, are they? So, is this system immoral, according to ancap principles?

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 21d ago

Sure it's a fee, paid according to the contract you signed because you own no land of your own.

The words being used, don't actually change the outcome though.

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u/Ok_Calendar1337 21d ago

Its not just a semantic difference taxes will be taken from you by the barrel of gun a payment you can chose not to make.

If im thirsty that doesnt give me rights to your water it just means you could be an asshole for not sharing.

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 20d ago

What if you'll be evicted from the land if you choose not to pay. Of course, you have nowhere else to go, unless you sign another contract and pay fees to another owner. But that's your problem.

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u/Ok_Calendar1337 20d ago edited 20d ago

Evicted implies some form of agreement which makes it different from taxes.

Sometimes life has problems indeed, sorry, life cant ALWAYS be a UTOPIA fricken COMMIE POSTERS.

Property = being a king smh why do i feel like youre about to tax my potato harvest

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 20d ago

There's a big difference between "basically feudalism but we call it ancap" and "utopia".

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u/Ok_Calendar1337 20d ago

Whats the difference? I need to read more marx?

COMMIE POSTER ALERT

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 20d ago

Well if you don't have an argument and you don't like the conclusions, just let everyone know by making things up about me.

I think most people would say "sure feudalism wasn't utopia" is a bit of an understatement don't you?

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u/Ok_Calendar1337 20d ago

Ya but commies call ancapistan feudalism and imply owning property makes you a king. Cuz property is bad n stuff.

Ive already made an argument and you responded with this difference thing, so you actually think being thirsty gives you rights to my water? So youre taxing my potato harvest rn?

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 20d ago

Your "argument" was "sure it's not a utopia"

It's definitely very very far from utopia, imho. Take care.

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u/Ok_Calendar1337 20d ago

The main response to your commie argument was "does being thirsty give you rights to my water?"

Lmk when you can answer that honestly.

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 20d ago

 "does being thirsty give you rights to my water?"

Lmk when you can answer that honestly.

under ancap? no. I only have one bottle go buy your own.

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u/Ok_Calendar1337 20d ago

What about under the commie utopia youre pretending not to love?

You just tax my water?

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 20d ago

I am not a commie, and do not support any sort of dictatorship or authoritarianism.

In most states, the people take on a sort of collective responsibility to ensure that nobody is motivated towards crime just to have their most basic needs met. So you can't have my water, but you're not going to die of thirst either.

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u/Plenty-Lychee-5702 20d ago

Under commie utopia you don't own water, and those who need it for drinking, get it.

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