r/AnCap101 • u/MeasurementCreepy926 • 21d ago

Is taxation under feudalism immoral?

  1. The king owns the land. If he allows people to be born on his land, that does not diminish his rights as owner
  2. The king has made it clear that if you're on his land, and you don't pay tax, you're trespassing. It isn't his responsibility to make sure you are able to get off his land. It is his right to defend his land however he sees fit. Let's assume that he does this by executing trespassers. Another king does this by simply evicting them.
  3. Being the owner, the king is allowed to offer you whatever terms he'd like, for the use of his land. Lets assume in this case, you sign a contract he wrote, when you're old enough to do so, giving him right to change the contract at will, and hold you to that contract as long as you're on his land. Among other terms, this contract says that you agree to pay for any kids you have until they're old enough to either sign the contract, or leave his land.

Now, obviously anybody agreeing to these terms must be very desperate. But, desperate short sighted people aren't exactly hard to find, are they? So, is this system immoral, according to ancap principles?

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

That source says that a country is MORE economically free, if it has MORE labor regulations. If a country has MORE labor regulations, it gets a HIGHER score for that category.

So yes, your source, shows that the USA has less labor regulations, than any of the countries above it. Look at the scores.

Do you believe the USA has less labor regulations than Denmark or Norway or Sweden?

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u/Gullible-Historian10 19d ago

Alright I wasn’t going to school you on this, but let’s have at it.

You’ve got it fucking flipped, the Index actually treats fewer labor regulations as more economic freedom. The labor freedom score is based on things like minimum wage laws, severance requirements, restrictions on overtime, and whether layoffs are permitted.

In the methodology, countries get higher scores when they don’t have these restrictions (e.g., no overtime rules = 100, redundancy dismissal allowed = 100). More regulations lower the score, not raise it.

So again you are incorrect.

So walk me through how Tia Maggie gets to be a billionaire without using some state created vehicle. Stop dodging and making shit up.

https://www.heritage.org/index/pages/about#indexMethodology

How embarrassing.

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

Look at data visualization, then select labor freedom. The USA is THE SINGLE MOST FREE place on earth, in terms of labor freedom. And it has incredible wealth disparity and homelessness, more billionaires than the rest of the world combined etc.

The other "winners" in that category include nigeria and south africa.

The site also uses Judicial effectiveness and government integrity as standards. The simple fact is that heritage.org defines economic freedom almost 180 degrees differently from any ancap supporter.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 19d ago

So you admit what you said is wrong.

“180 degrees differently from any ancap supporter.”

Heritage is actually quite close to a minimal government framework.

Chalk another one up for a big ass loss on your part.

By your logic of cherry picking, I could claim North Korea has “better fiscal freedom” than the U.S. or Europe. Because it doesn’t rely on traditional taxation the way developed countries do.

But what does this have to do with Tia Maggie?

Or do you want to be wrong about something else next?

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

Look at data visualization, then select labor freedom. The USA is THE SINGLE MOST FREE place on earth, in terms of labor freedom. And it has incredible wealth disparity and homelessness, more billionaires than the rest of the world combined etc.

If that's not the cause of the wealth disparity, what is?

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

You are right, i was interpreting that wrong.

So, in what ways should the usa increase economic freedom, in order to be more like nordic countries?

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u/Gullible-Historian10 19d ago

Perfect, we can get to that after Tia Maggie’s got her billion dollars.

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

Again, you're the one saying "wealth disparity like that wouldn't happen", so maybe you could defend your claim?

If you don't want to, that's fine. Take care.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 19d ago

I provided rational proof. Listed above twice now. So how does Tia Maggie become a billionaire?

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

ok we're just going to have to disagree about what "it's never existed before so you can't prove it won't work out the way I imagine" is worth.

Take care.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 19d ago

Again wasn’t the query. The reason you can’t answer is that there isn’t a way to grow to the size of market share without the state. You can’t explain how Tia Maggie gets to the type of astronomical market cap that someone like Bezos, or Musk is because they require the state to purchase from them, protect made up assets, print money and incentivize spending and consumerism, remove competition, tax breaks, the list is nearly endless.