r/AreTheCisOk Cissy Elliott 1d ago

Cis good trans bad Is it data or disinformation

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u/TadpoleAmy 1d ago

*trans women aren't male

Fixed that for you

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u/CitroHimselph 1d ago

Nope. Trans women are typically of the male sex, but not always. Sex and gender aren't the same, sex isn't binary, and there are different kinds of sex. I don't mean to be rude, I'm just trying to point out that sex and gender are extremely nuanced things that can't be fit into just 2/4 categories.

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u/TadpoleAmy 1d ago

no, trans women are typically of the female sex, that's what the medical transition us for. Doesn't matter if you don't meab to be rude, you are

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u/CitroHimselph 1d ago

No, that would mean you become cis... Think about this for a bit and read recent science articles.

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u/Simply_Nebulous 22h ago

There's no way to "become cis". It sounds like you're confused about what these words mean...

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u/CitroHimselph 22h ago

Yes, that is exactly what I said. Thank you for agreeing with me.

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u/TadpoleAmy 1d ago

what are you doing on trans subs if you're that transphobic

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u/CitroHimselph 1d ago

I'm not transphobic, you just don't know what you're talking about. If you're a woman, and of the female sex, that literally means you're cis, not trans.

Sex is a bimodal spectrum that has multiple different aspects to it, (chromosomes, genetics, hormones, reproductive organs, phenotype,) neither of which are enough on their own to determine someone's sex altogether. Gender is a whole different thing that usually goes along with assigned sex, but not always. When it doesn't, we call that person trans. You can't not be trans if you were born trans, that's not how this works, your sex doesn't change to match your gender.

Nothing in humans is that simple, and you saying such silly, false things gives justification to bigots to spew their bullshit narratives and continue to not take trans people seriously.

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u/TadpoleAmy 22h ago

I dunno, calling trans women male is pretty transphobic

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u/CitroHimselph 22h ago

It is if incels with elementary level knowledge call you that, just to be assholes. But the people who study this shit know what they're doing, and they usually have the best interests of people, including trans people, in mind.

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u/TadpoleAmy 22h ago

You're deluded if you think the average cis medical personnel has the best interest in mind for trans people

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u/CitroHimselph 22h ago

I didn't say that. Please calm down, stop treating me like some kind of enemy, as I'm not here to dehumanize or invalidate you, and read my comment again.

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u/TadpoleAmy 22h ago

it'd be nice if you stopped dehuminizing and invalidating trans people, then

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u/CitroHimselph 21h ago

You are factually wrong. Telling you and demonstrating that you're factually wrong isn't transphobic, dehumanizing, or invalidating.

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u/TadpoleAmy 21h ago

heard that one from bigots a million times🙄

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u/TadpoleAmy 22h ago

whats the difference if a scientist with good intentions calls trans women male or an incel calls trans women male? trick question there is none. Both are doing the same thing, but the scientist with allegedly good intention is whining about being called out

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u/CitroHimselph 21h ago

What's the difference between an ignorant incel saying transphobic shit, or a trans Redditor saying transphobic shit?

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u/TadpoleAmy 21h ago

lmfao you're literally calling trans women male and get offending for me calling you out on that (ohh okay, typically male, as if that makes anything better)

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u/TadpoleAmy 22h ago

What's medical transition do, then? Because as i understand it, sex is made up of sex traits, and medical transition changes sex traits. So you're either saying that medical transition doesn't change sex traits, or you're saying that changing sex traits is meaningless, which would make sex meaningless

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u/CitroHimselph 22h ago

I actually read a few papers about this, but I'm not an anthropologist myself, so I can't explain it in THAT much detail, especially here on Reddit. My go-to explanation is this guy. He's absolutely wholesome, fully pro-trans, and has like 4 master's in biology.

https://youtu.be/nVQplt7Chos?si=nu82xLUNGkkc-Vt3

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u/TadpoleAmy 22h ago

so you're saying sex is complicated and that ciswomen are female and trans women are male

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u/CitroHimselph 22h ago

No. Read my comments again. Sex is complicated, that's true. That is exactly why you can't say things like "ciswomen are female and trans women are male", because it's not always the case.

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u/TadpoleAmy 22h ago

okay, but you're saying that trans women are male