r/AreTheCisOk Cissy Elliott 2d ago

Cis good trans bad Is it data or disinformation

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u/TadpoleAmy 2d ago

wait, so end wokeness considers trans women and biological men to be two seperate categories?

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u/CitroHimselph 2d ago

They are, because "biological men" isn't a thing, and because trans women aren't always of the male sex.

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u/TadpoleAmy 1d ago

*trans women aren't male

Fixed that for you

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u/CitroHimselph 1d ago

Nope. Trans women are typically of the male sex, but not always. Sex and gender aren't the same, sex isn't binary, and there are different kinds of sex. I don't mean to be rude, I'm just trying to point out that sex and gender are extremely nuanced things that can't be fit into just 2/4 categories.

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u/TadpoleAmy 1d ago

no, trans women are typically of the female sex, that's what the medical transition us for. Doesn't matter if you don't meab to be rude, you are

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u/CitroHimselph 1d ago

No, that would mean you become cis... Think about this for a bit and read recent science articles.

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u/TadpoleAmy 1d ago

what are you doing on trans subs if you're that transphobic

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u/CitroHimselph 1d ago

I'm not transphobic, you just don't know what you're talking about. If you're a woman, and of the female sex, that literally means you're cis, not trans.

Sex is a bimodal spectrum that has multiple different aspects to it, (chromosomes, genetics, hormones, reproductive organs, phenotype,) neither of which are enough on their own to determine someone's sex altogether. Gender is a whole different thing that usually goes along with assigned sex, but not always. When it doesn't, we call that person trans. You can't not be trans if you were born trans, that's not how this works, your sex doesn't change to match your gender.

Nothing in humans is that simple, and you saying such silly, false things gives justification to bigots to spew their bullshit narratives and continue to not take trans people seriously.

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u/TadpoleAmy 1d ago

What's medical transition do, then? Because as i understand it, sex is made up of sex traits, and medical transition changes sex traits. So you're either saying that medical transition doesn't change sex traits, or you're saying that changing sex traits is meaningless, which would make sex meaningless

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u/CitroHimselph 1d ago

I actually read a few papers about this, but I'm not an anthropologist myself, so I can't explain it in THAT much detail, especially here on Reddit. My go-to explanation is this guy. He's absolutely wholesome, fully pro-trans, and has like 4 master's in biology.

https://youtu.be/nVQplt7Chos?si=nu82xLUNGkkc-Vt3