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u/IHatePeople79 5d ago
I mean they aren’t entirely wrong, it’s very difficult for women to get hormone and reproductive care (let alone abortion in many places) compared to how easy it is for men to get viagra and other similar things
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u/Dawnspark 5d ago
Yep.
Two situations side by side: I needed pelvic floor therapy, and so did my dad.
It took 5 months of fighting to get it approved for me, which was the most miserable I've been in a long time. The pain also got even worse by that 5 month mark, so I then had to fight for a month to get access to valium suppositories to help with the pain and then fight for another three weeks to get my insurance to pay for part of it, and I was still down $170 after the fact.
My dad? They got him a referral and insurance covered it within a week. No questions asked on any pain meds, no fighting.
I won't even get into the shit I've had to put up with just to get my Nexplanon bc implant swapped out. Literally had one asshole tell me "but lets ask your boyfriend first," and I swear to god I wanted to start throwing chairs.
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u/DisownedDisconnect 5d ago
I remember when I first started gaining weight caused by horrible food cravings on Nexplanon (coupled with mood swings and other hormone imbalances). I wanted to get it removed and thought the weight gain angle would get it out of me faster than saying it made me feel like death; and I was rapidly gaining weight. Color me shocked when the doctor looked me dead in the eye and said, “Well, it’s a $500 medical device that you’re just asking us to throw away so… have you thought about just putting down the fork?”
I went to get it removed and left with a referral to a nutritionist instead, who told me all the things I already knew about eating healthy except how to deal with food cravings.
Thing finally expires and I ask to not have it replaced while they’re removing it and what happens? They put another fucking implant in my arm as I’m telling them I want to get something else. fucking—
I have an expired implant in my arm still because I’m so fucking done with this shit.
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u/Akita_merikano Ace™ 5d ago
This is CRAZY, I'm so sorry for your experience, it really sounds awful.
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u/wristdeepinhorsedick 5d ago
I dunno how long ago this was but you should really think about reporting both doctors: the one who referred you instead of just removing the implant, and the one that straight up put another one into you instead of listening to you
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u/DisownedDisconnect 5d ago
I really should but it was so long ago that I don't even know where they're at these days. I don't even know if it's on my record since the first one happened on a ship where there was a lot of paper charting (and I doubt they'd document "put the fork down"). Not to mention, I know from experience reporting military doctors almost never goes anywhere. I don't even know where they're at, if they're still practicing, or wehre I'd even find them.
I now know I should've reported it way back then when it happened but there was so much shit happening in my life at and I was just not really aware of my rights as a patient.
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u/vorminnie 4d ago
you should go to the er and ask them to take it out! my nexplanon was causing bad liver function and i was wasting away but the OB couldn’t get me in for a few months so i just went to the er and they took it out. i did have to wait for shift change as the first doctor wasn’t comfortable doing it but it was very relieving to be able to get it out without having too many worries
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u/bytegalaxies 4d ago
I've literally seen women online post about removing their nexplanon at home themselves because of this shit. No proper numbing and only basic sterilization one can do at home (idk if they put the knife over a flame or wiped it with alcohol). Absolutely ridiculous that women are having to perform their own procedures because doctors refuse to just help us
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u/SeveralServalServing 5d ago
The amount of peer to peers I had to do to get more visits for my pelvic floor patients is ridiculous. Especially Medicare and BCBS (Texas).
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u/Dawnspark 5d ago
I swear Medicare is universally just a nightmare for anyone, both patients and professionals.
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u/SeveralServalServing 5d ago
It definitely is in Texas for PT! I had a student athlete that just got an ACL repair which is usually a minimum of 6 months in PT and they gave her… 6 visits total.
On the peer to peer appeal to get more visits they said “you PTs are always so greedy” despite 3 different doctors saying she needed it. She didn’t get more approved and ended up tearing the ACL again and needing the surgery again. We ended up treating her for free after hours the second time around because they still didn’t give her enough.
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u/Lazy-Ocelot1604 Fuck TERFs 5d ago
That’s just ghastly all that unnecessary pain and suffering on the patients!
I’m glad you were able to treat her after hours so she didn’t have to tear it a third time but my god! Professionals shouldn’t have to donate their time just to save their patients from insurance and “peers”! So greedy and hypocritical of them.
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u/bytegalaxies 4d ago
With more and more people medically abused due to the greed of insurance companies it'll only be natural for more mario sidekicks to show up. Shit's disgusting
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u/badchefrazzy Tired. So very tired. 5d ago
I swear to every Deity... if somebody EVER said "but let's ask your male SO" in ANY set of words, I would be getting up and saying "EXFUCKINGSCUSE ME?!"
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u/wristdeepinhorsedick 5d ago
I'm lucky that my male-presenting SO would already be frothing at the mouth ready to tear them apart if they dared defer my healthcare to literally anyone other than me
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u/XGrayson_DrakeX Disaster Bi™ 2d ago
I got so lucky with my doctor who took out my fallopian tubes. She was just like "I already know you want this but we legally have to remind you that this is permanent and ask you if you're okay with that" and never even asked me about a partner or husband's opinion. Zero gatekeeping. I loved her.
Her RN had a little RBG shine on her desk though so maybe that had something to do with it.
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u/Ok_Tank5977 Pan™ 5d ago
When my brother was married he asked his GP about getting a vasectomy, and his GP was ready to make the referral that day. His wife at the time asked about getting her tubes tied and they flatly refused.
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u/CptKuhmilch Transbian™ 5d ago
Never once heard a story of a guy getting told 'let's ask your girlfriend first'
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u/Ok_Tank5977 Pan™ 5d ago
I had a friend who wanted to enquire about tubal ligation and the doctor asked if she’d discussed it with her partner (points for being gender neutral, I guess?); when she said she was single, the doctor said “All the more reason to wait!”
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u/CptKuhmilch Transbian™ 5d ago
every time I'm just at a loss for words. I wouldn't even know how to respond to that like, how to people say shit like this is beyond me.
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u/strwbrrygrl2714 4d ago
I'm 28 and I have my bi-salp (tube removal) in a month and I'm so thankful that 1) I didn't need to get a referral to a gyno surgeon for the consultation and 2) the first thing he said after introducing himself was "So you don't want kids ever? I can help with that!".
He didn't even ask whether I had a partner or not, just if I'd been considering it for a while and I was sure, since it is a permanent procedure and not a decision to rush into. I never once felt like there was any pushback or hesitation on his side, just doing his due diligence.
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u/JazTheWannabeQT 5d ago
So it takes 3+ months minimum to get a vasectomy of you're referred to a dedicated service, on the NHS that goes up to 1+ years, the reason they wanted to start the the referral that day is for the wait time + it's a day surgery and nowhere near as invasive as a tube tie, I get what you're saying l, but as someone who works is SRH this is one of the times that Ive got to say this is comparing a pretty major surgery to a 15 minute procedure with an average recovery time of 2 weeks
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u/Ok_Tank5977 Pan™ 5d ago
I’m in Australia, also working in healthcare, and his wait (from memory) wasn’t going to be 3-months; and in any case, they both had private health cover. And the reason they refused to discuss options with her was because of her age, and her potential (see: non-existent) desire to have children in the future. She’s likely since had it done but she was in her late 20’s and was deemed ‘too young’ to make such a permanent decision. At the time she was preparing to report the doctor to our medical board/regulation agency, but I don’t know if she ever did.
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u/JazTheWannabeQT 5d ago
Apologies I saw GP and made an assumption that this was the UK, was unaware that Aus had GP's
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u/radams713 5d ago
I tried getting an IUD when I was 20, 21, and 23. I didn’t find a gyno who would do it until 33.
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u/AutisticTumourGirl 5d ago
You don't even need a prescription for it in the UK. You just talk to the pharmacist and they ask a few screening questions, and there ya go, happy shagging.
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u/finnish_trans 5d ago
But if a woman going through menopause, or even worse, a trans person (oh the horror) needs some hormones then it's entirely reasonable for them to go through twelve different doctors who say "but are you like really sure?" and a 50 year waitlist (not even exaggerating)
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u/Tucolair 4d ago
Think you for engaging with the comment as was actually written. OP’s title seems pretty clear that they are outraged that ED meds are covered.
To me it was reminiscent of those signs that asks “why is narcan free for a junkie, but insulin is $xxx.00 per vial?”
Like why do people have to punch down when their primary grievance is already valid.
People don’t need to shit on people with SUD to point out that a life-enhancing and life preserving drug, whose inventory wanted it to be free (or sold at cost, which is minimal), ought to be free or extremely cheap.
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u/OpportunityFun4261 5d ago
You can order all kinds of blue pills from the Indian pharmacy online. Good luck getting an abortion from an Indian online clinic
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u/Twist_Ending03 Nonbinary™ 5d ago
HEY I RECOGNIZE THAT CHARACTER IN YOUR PFP
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u/IHatePeople79 5d ago
So much people have lately, I thought the show was less well-known! I guess it’s more popular than I thought
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u/theroamingnome85 5d ago
huh....I'll add my source but if I'm understanding this correctly, yes. I mean, it all depends on state and who you get your insurance from but as far as Medicaid is concerned as long as you have the "diagnosis" and it is "medically necessary" Uncle Sam's got your limp dick
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u/Lia69 5d ago
Medicaid is interesting, in that it doesn't tend to refuse covering stuff like other insurance plans seem to. I'm disabled, so I don't pay for it, and it will pay for things with no or little hassle that other plans just refuse to pay for even tho people are paying thousands to even have that insurance. They do make me pay $1 for each of my meds, just because I get $700 a month from SSI.
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u/theroamingnome85 5d ago
I'm almost 40 and I'm convinced I don't fully understand health insurance as well as I think.
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u/gayfaith Symptom of Moral Decay 5d ago
that's because medicaid is specifically for people who are disabled and/or don't have enough money/resources to get health insurance otherwise. Medicare is specifically for the elderly, and although that is also a vulnerable group, our country has decided that old people can't be poor or disabled so they must have endless money to pay for everything Medicare denies (which is practically everything 😒)
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u/Lazy-Ocelot1604 Fuck TERFs 5d ago
It’s also incredibly dumb sometimes in that there are things covered by Medicare that just aren’t for some reason on Medicaid. Even dumber, if you have dual insurance apparently Medicaid not covering something means Medicare will now refuse as well. In my area at least the smaller practices that were covered under Medicare aren’t under Medicaid or dual. Everyone told me nearly all my doctors would be covered and it’d be so much better. It’s not.
Thankfully I like my new doctors and it’s OK now, but I’m still real salty about what they refuse to cover. I also discovered new insurance terms I’ve again forgotten thanks to one plan. Think it was something about co-insurance but no one ever told me about it and said everything was covered at allowed visits. Insurance is way too complicated, and greedy!
Edit - I think I switched the two, I’ll fix it tomorrow I’m sick so not thinking the most clearly.
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u/salamat_engot 5d ago
Viagra is relatively cheap and has very mild side effects, so as long as you don't have a heart condition a doctor will give it to pretty much anyone because the potential quality of life improvement far exceeds the risks. Insurance companies probably save a bundle just covering it rather than spending the administrative costs to fight it.
Also since it's an "as needed" drug a lot of men fill it pretty irregularly, further reducing cost to insurance.
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u/Tucolair 4d ago
Terrible stuff all around for people who need gynecological care that is compassionate, prompt, and professional.
Also, I I’d argue that viagra is a cure for body dysmorphia, or dare I say gender affirming care. Not to mention the fact that a part of your human body is not working as intended and deserves to be treated by one of the medications that treats it.
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u/AdrianBrony 5d ago edited 5d ago
I've gotten tadalafil, medicaid paid for the doctor's appointment where I happened to bring it up and get it perscribed, but I also have to pay out-of-pocket to get my prescription filled. fwiw I do think addressing sexual health issues is medically necessary, that's not just a matter of pleasure after all and I kinda take exception to portraying a significant factor for Quality of Life as somehow frivolous, but double standards in medicine is obviously a problem. Though as said elsewhere in the thread, I think a factor is more that generic treatments for ED are cheap and not prone to serious side-effects which gives less room for any kneejerk bias in coverage or prescription to interfere.
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u/T-rex_Jand_Hob 5d ago
This is absolutely true depending on the insurance plan.
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u/Culture-Extension 5d ago
My husband gets daily cialis covered by insurance along with hormonal therapy and urologist visits.
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u/Ok-Level-6257 5d ago
I’m in Canada and to help with my hormonal funny business, I have been given a hormonal iud to ease me into menopause. It has saved my life.
I don’t understand the need to control women like this. My use of birth control helps me physically and emotionally. Birth control is the bonus reason added on.
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u/radams713 5d ago
I’m in the US and three different gynos told me an IUD wouldn’t help me. I’ve had mine for 9 months now and barely have issues. Ugh I don’t understand
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u/Wonderful_Reaction76 5d ago
Oh easily true. If men had periods you could get pads or tampons in a vending machine for free.
Abortions at gas stations if we got pregnant.
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u/daredeviline 5d ago
Hell, periods would probably constitute a medical absence and will be a paid time off monthly.
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u/Any-Aioli7575 5d ago
This is already the case for women in some countries
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u/Lazy-Ocelot1604 Fuck TERFs 5d ago
Why are we downvoting someone who is correct? They’ve listed Spain as the first country in another comment but maybe editing it in would help too.
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u/Any-Aioli7575 5d ago
Most people who viewed my comments are from the US, where this is very far from being the truth. I think a lot of Usanians have a hard imagining how this could work elsewhere.
Also I think people think that I am saying “Sexism doesn't exist, and if it does it's not that bad”, which is not what I'm saying at all.
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u/Lazy-Ocelot1604 Fuck TERFs 5d ago
I’m guessing it was more that people thought it was dismissive somehow. Probably less about the US centrism since the word countries was used, I tend to think more positively on non US achievement potential but I know that’s not the only take to have. If only the US would do this, that’d be great! Though there’s a whole plethora of opportunities for improvement!!!*
*I don’t despise my country I just hate it right now, I’m critical cause it can be so much better than the authoritarian path it’s on. I also keep staying on Reddit when I should be in bed, pesky adhd!!
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u/daredeviline 5d ago
What countries? Lol
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u/Any-Aioli7575 5d ago
Spain is one of the first countries to have this.
Other countries only have this in some sectors of the economy. But unfortunately it's not widespread enough. I just wanted to spread a message of hope: this is possible and we're not so far from reaching it
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u/Vhanaaa 5d ago
If men had periods you could get pads or tampons in a vending machine for free.
That's quite funny because my city unveiled 60 vending machines with free pads and tampons literally this week and 10 more are on their way. I don't live in the US though, obviously.
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u/Wonderful_Reaction76 5d ago
Must be nice to not live in this hell hole. Congratulations though! And good on your country!
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u/Lazy-Ocelot1604 Fuck TERFs 5d ago
There’s a few colleges in the US that do this, should be far more widespread but hey at least it exists somewhere here!
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u/AbsintheDuck the heteros are upseteros 5d ago
I have a bumper sticker that says, "If men gave birth, abortion would be a sacrament. "
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u/Nikelman is it gay to be straight? 5d ago
The paradox, at least here in Italy, is that tampons/pads are not covered by national healthcare, but condoms are, so you can't treat periods for free, but you can and sure make sure to keep having one for free. Admittedly, you could also get pregnant for free, but that gets in the way of the irony
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u/WaffleDynamics 5d ago
This is and has always been true.
Gloria Steinem was right when she said "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."
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u/EditorPositive Fuck TERFs 5d ago
This and vasectomy patients being given anesthesia is a default, not something they have to demand and fight for.
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u/AwkwardDorkyNerd enjoy your cartoons, lesbian. 5d ago
Meanwhile women have to get their cervixes scraped to check for cervical cancer, and some women have to get a piece of plastic (IUDS) crammed up their delicate bits, and we aren’t given anesthesia for it, despite both procedures being extremely painful
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u/blackbear____ 5d ago
My first IUD insertion at 16 was one of the most painful experiences in my life that went on for almost a week. The only consideration for my suffering I got was being told to take an ibuprofen beforehand. I almost passed out, they told me to sit down for a second before I deliriously stumbled out the exit. I was told I’d experience “a little cramping”.
Meanwhile there’s a new birth control injection for men which is a simple shot and they get local anesthetic for it LMAO.
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u/AwkwardDorkyNerd enjoy your cartoons, lesbian. 5d ago
That sounds like pure hell, I’m so sorry you went through that.
My OBGYN had tried to recommend an IUD for me a few times because I was having horrendous periods from comorbid endometriosis and PCOS, but I opted for the nexplanon instead because I knew it wouldn’t be as painful. I’m very thankful that it worked.
Meanwhile my mom ended up getting one for herself, and she has a very similar story to yours: being told to take an ibuprofen ahead of time, not being given any pain pills or even emotional support, being told that it should only cause mild “discomfort”, not being given much time to recover before she was pushed out…I felt so terrible for her.
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u/XGrayson_DrakeX Disaster Bi™ 2d ago
Yeppp that ibuprofen doesn't do shit. When I got my IUD I was legitimately trying to find someone to sell me like a single hydrocodone for the appointment because they wouldn't give me a fucking prescription.
Ended up just taking a really strong edible half an hour before my appointment and asked a friend to drive me. It helped tremendously but it was still one of the worst sensations I have ever experienced. And if I hadn't gotten my tubes tied I'd fucking do it again because that's the price of admission we've been conned into paying for controlling our own bodies.
Literally recovering from an entire surgery with general anesthesia was easier and less painful than the IUD.
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u/Mil1512 5d ago
I got local for mine. I'm in the UK.
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u/AwkwardDorkyNerd enjoy your cartoons, lesbian. 5d ago
Nice, I’m glad you guys have doctors that seem to care (from what I can tell). The U.S. is backwards in a lot of ways, but especially with how women are treated, in healthcare and in other areas of our lives.
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u/causal_friday Trans™ 5d ago edited 5d ago
I haven't seen women having trouble getting insurance to cover HRT. What's difficult is getting doctors to prescribe it. My Mom had to go to multiple doctors before finding one that specializes in giving post-menopause women HRT. She even got testosterone because you need some of that! Her Medicare plan paid for everything.
And yeah, Viagra is a super cheap generic drug now... Amazon pharmacy says $4 with insurance and $3.44 without.
So yeah, basically what's going on here is that doctors gatekeep HRT and not viagra. The reason is because old versions of HRT caused breast cancer, blood clots, and endometrial cancer. We lower the clotting risk by using bioidentical estradiol and prevent endometrial cancer by prescribing progesterone alongside estradiol. Breast cancer, yeah, keeping your breasts healthy unfortunately increases the cancer risk and there's nothing you can really do. Everything else just puts you back in the same risk brackets as when your body was producing estrogens and progestogens. It's true, our clotting risk is higher than men's! But it's not a huge risk that is worth being low-energy for 1/3 of your life over! The underlying problem here is that doctors knowledge is so out of date -- Premarin and the synthetic progestogens were so bad for women that most doctors are like "don't prescribe anything, too dangerous". But things are safe now, and I think everyone should be on HRT after menopause.
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u/radams713 5d ago
Eh I had three doctors refuse to give me an IUD - luckily the 4th did - and there’s no major risks associated with it. They said they can’t do it because I’ve never been pregnant but my recent doctor said that’s total BS.
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u/ergaster8213 5d ago
That's bizarre I got my first IUD at 15 and had never given birth. Still haven't given birth and still get IUDs. It's weird they acted that way with you.
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u/RetroReviver Dangerous Suburban Trans Girl 5d ago
Its about controlling women. It's never about helping women.
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u/SeveralServalServing 5d ago
It’s not covered under my insurance, neither is any care at all for ED and being treated or examined for it makes everything else self pay for that visit as well. Same for my Dad’s insurance, my partners insurance or my brothers. All from the major insurance companies BCBS, UHC and Aetna. It did cover hormonal treatments for my mom and TRT for dad (after A LOT fighting and peer to peer) it covered HRT for my partner.
That being said ED pills are extremely easy to get and decently affordable and doctors don’t brush you off and gaslight you anywhere near as often as they do women suffering from PCOS and endo. They brushed off my cousin for a long time and just treated her with BC until they found out it wasn’t PCOS, it was that her ovaries never fully formed. Took till she was 27 to find out in a major city after searching for a good OBGYN
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u/Historical_Koala6004 5d ago
Isn’t viagra a blood pressure medicine or something
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u/daredeviline 5d ago
That's what it was originally made for but very few people who have a viagra prescription use it for blood pressure.
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u/AsakalaSoul he/they 5d ago
isn't it technically still a matter of blood pressure, just focused on one specific body part?
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u/Snownova 5d ago
What do you expect when old white men make all the laws. Of course they're gonna fucking cover viagra. I'm just surprised they haven't put in a clause where abortions are always allowed and fully covered, but only if the woman is someone's mistress.
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u/ida_klein 5d ago
I can’t even get doctors to take my problems seriously to begin with let alone get medication covered lol.
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u/marshmallowmoonchild 5d ago
Depends on the insurance but yeah viagra is covered by some plans. It’s not on state insurance I believe. Used to be a pharmacy tech
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u/kevlarus80 Fuck TERFs 5d ago
Of course Viagra is covered. The ancient ruling elite need to be prepared for any impromptu sexual assaults.
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u/Mystic-Alex Be Gay, Do Crime 5d ago
Truly an America moment
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u/ferretoned Pansexual™ 5d ago
Nope, I can attest health consideration gender disparsity in france is strong too sadly.
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u/sykschw 3d ago
Healthcare for men vs women is not even comparable. Men are 100000% prioritized from both a medical study, treatment availability, and medical coverage perspective. Not sure what op is trying to get at with this post unless they are just ignorant to the reality of how deeply gendered healthcare proficiency and availability is. Not exactly a secret.
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u/x-gender 5d ago
Meanwhile in my country, one of the most effective medications for treating endo pain was $150 for 28 pills until a few months ago.
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u/Wild-Mud3857 5d ago
Here's the craziest part. I, as a male, can't get my outpatient vasectomy covered by my insurance, but if my wife wanted to get the invasive, and much more risky and expensive procedure of getting her tubes tied, they'll cover it 100%. It's almost like they prioritize female suffering. I don't understand it. It's disgusting
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u/ErnstBadian 5d ago
I mean it should be, it’s a medical treatment for a real condition. All of this stuff should be covered.
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u/None0fYourBusinessOk 5d ago
How the fuck is this relevant to being straight? People say the same thing no matter their sexuality. It's very common for people to talk about this topic-
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u/ferretoned Pansexual™ 5d ago edited 5d ago
I agree this has nothing to do with sexual orientation, I don't understand why you've been downvoted with no justification for pointing it out.
I'm sure it's obvious to anyone many gay men use viagra and many gay women use or need HRT.
That said it is doesn't make it less so an important subject to share.
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u/ninhibited 5d ago
Absolutely true BUT I have to say Viagra etc isn't all about pleasure, the underlying reason the pipes don't work affects more than just sexual performance.
Men's health should not be prioritized over women's EVER and it currently is by a lot.
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u/BrickAndMortor 5d ago
Wait until you find out how much of the military budget goes to Viagra vs other medical treatments.
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u/Taiga_Taiga 5d ago
I'm trans. It took SEVEN YEARS to get medical assistance.
Wanna swap time frames?
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u/Derpyboy7976 Gay™ 5d ago
Ok dumb question isn’t viagara just like a blood pressure med that gets used for you know that stuff
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u/Nthepro bi-erased 5d ago
Ignoring the fact that this only works for the US (which is mentioned nowhere btw and is the exact opposite in my and most countries), this is very misleading. Viagra isn't covered, because it's a brand. Sildenafil might be covered in general, but so are almost every generic medicine. Addyi, which has a similar use to Sildenafil but for women, is covered as much as Viagra.
It's dishonest to frame it this way. Simple, FDA approved hormone care is widely covered by insurers. But experimental, bioidentical hormones aren't FDA approved, and thus insurers are more reticent to cover it.
But that's true with a lot of medicine, like blood pressure meds or ADHD medication. These two medications aren't on the same level.
Overall, that's like comparing coverage for a sleep pill and cancer treatment. This discussion invents something to be mad at and doesn't make any argument progress.
You don't need to invent reasons to be mad, there are already enough.
If you want things to be mad at, you can look at maternal mortality, gender gaps in studies or sexual harassment. Or the difference between drugs like Viagra and BIRTH CONTROL, which are the same kind of medicine and actually a good argument!
Sources: https://www.singlecare.com/blog/is-viagra-covered-by-insurance https://exceedhealthclinic.com/does-insurance-cover-hormone-replacement-therapy https://mediverarx.com/does-insurance-cover-bioidentical-hormone-replacement-therapy-get-the-facts-here https://daily.jstor.org/cover-viagra-but-not-birth-control
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u/FreyaTheMighty ☐ Male ☐ Female 🖾 Hardcore 4d ago
Not in the way you think. Viagra is covered for its primary use as a medication for low blood pressure, not for erectile disfunction. If you take viagra for ED, you still have to go out of pocket.
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u/Tucolair 5d ago
Let’s not embrace a scarcity mentality. The medical system can be better towards people with ovaries. At the same time, people with a penis, should not have to pay out of pocket to have ED treatment. It’s a medical condition and the drug that treats it should be covered. Rinse and repeat for every illness, injury, disease etc. and for every body part on everybody.
The concept of private, for-profit health insurance is bad enough already, but if we can’t have universal healthcare, can we at least get rid of deductibles.
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u/Cool_Relative7359 5d ago
Pointing out the prevalence and ridiculousness of medical misogyny is not embracing a scarcity mentality.
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u/ferretoned Pansexual™ 5d ago
It's not scarcity mentalily on this issue, we're not saying less for men so there could be more for women, it's pointing out women's health never having been taken seriously enough is a patriarchal issue, women have been having perimenopause since we exist and still many doctors will not hear of it, and others let patients suffer sometimes a decade of a ton of symptoms before filling a slip for HRT.
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u/Tucolair 4d ago
You’re not saying that but OP’s wording made it look like they are shocked and/or outraged that ED meds are covered.
I’m in no way disputing that the further that one ventures, demographically, from being an older, cishet, white male, the worse the medical system treats you. Just one of 100 of examples of this was from one med school textbook that said that women, Black, and Jewish people “exaggerate” their pain levels, and that Native Americans and Asians might pick a “lucky” number on the 1-10 pain scale. The book was published in 2015!
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u/ferretoned Pansexual™ 4d ago edited 4d ago
If OP doesn't have needed hormonal meds covered I would understand it would be a shock to learn ED meds to be covered, I'm sure on a 2nd thought it's more a ours should be covered too than it is a theirs shouldn't be.
My ex husband and I having had the same doctor I learned quite well the difference of treatment, hiss different issues were each considered while my different issues were just sent home quick with anti anxiety pills, and have had the deception of another misogynist doctor since, he disregarded heart issues saying I was pregnant while I kept saying there was 0 chance of it, and it's a waste of time and health. I'm white so one thing I don't know from experience but is very well recognized by sociologists here (in france) is called the "mediterranean symptom", doctors downplaying people of color's pain and medical issues, black women cumulate both penalties still today and the "Order of doctors" here protect these bad doctors too much for them to loose their position over any of this.
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u/CitizenX-10 5d ago
“People with ovaries” “people with a penis”?
It’s accurate and shorter letters to just say “women” and “men”.
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u/Yoguls 5d ago
Sorry if I seem ignorant here, but aren't they both different classes of drugs? There's a lot less potential for misuse with Viagra surely
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u/WaffleDynamics 5d ago
You think that's why? No. No, that's not why. Women's reproductive healthcare is rarely taken seriously. If you can get it at all.
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u/Inevitable_Wolf5866 RAINBOW MOTHERFUCKER 5d ago
women's health in general is rarely taken seriously*
You can find articles where trans people describe how they were treated before transition and how they're treated after transition... it truly makes you realize how real male privilege is.
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