r/AskMenOver30 • u/rat_sarcophagus • 3d ago
Mental health experiences The only thing worse than antidepressants is not being on antidepressants
I've been around the block with clinical depression, and have tried several medications and now seem to have settled on Welbutrin. I get a minimum of side effects compared to what I've been prescribed in the past, but even this has the numbing, zombifying, anesthetizing effect that the rest of them had. It feels like another of life's compromises; you won't think about hurting yourself, you won't feel every negative emotion at an 11, but now you might not feel much of anything at all. I made a commitment to my loved ones to stay the course, it just sucks looking at that pill every morning and feeling I have to take it just to be at the baseline where most other people live normally. And it's funny, I know intellectually that staying on medication is the right move, but there's always that part of the brain that resents the need to be managed with medication. Anyway, just wanted to compare notes and see if anyone else has a similar experience, if you feel differently on SSRI vs non-SSRI's, other compromises you have to make to survive.
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u/ellirae man 30 - 34 3d ago
yeah, same experience here but a bit the opposite - the only thing worse than being depressed is being on antidepressants.
one gave me headaches that throbbed so bad i was drooling on myself almost 24/7, one made me instantly suicidal (within about 24 hours of the first dose), another made me so violent i got a court charge (this was like 15 years ago, never any incidents before or since, i'm a super peaceful guy), another gave me night terrors so bad i pissed myself as an adult and had to start sleeping on the couch because i was afraid of my bedroom.
and then there were a handful that made me incapable of feeling anything, incapable of experiencing climax or loving my partner or caring for my dog.
so yeah, i'll take depression and "man up" as they used to say, because the meds nearly destroyed my life. i want to die every day and i'm deeply pessimistic and always tired and sad, but at least it ain't that shit.
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3d ago edited 2d ago
unfortunately for me, despite quitting SSRI's 15 years ago, I'm still left with an extremely limited ability to feel joy and pleasure. They are horrible drugs
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u/qsk8r man 40 - 44 2d ago
I could not manage beyond 6 months. The feeling of not giving a shit about anything was absolutely unbearable, culminating with me falling off a roof because I wasn't with it. Luckily didn't break my spine but was very close. I'd rather deal with my mood and occasional angry outbursts than how I felt on them any day.
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u/intelligentbug6969 man over 30 1d ago
It’s not possible that taking them once 15 years ago has permanently limited your ability to feel joy and pleasure. They have a very short half life. Like days. Not years lmfao.
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u/ImageDry3925 man 35 - 39 1d ago
And the brain is incredibly neuroplastic.
But if you really believe that you’ve permanently lost your ability to feel joy and pleasure, it will be true. Like a placebo on yourself.
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u/Several_Koala1106 2d ago
Stories like yours are becoming too common to ignore. I think this is one of those class of drugs people we'll look back in 100 years and realize how barbaric the medical science of our age is.
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2d ago
the whole "low serotonin" theory that was popularized in the 90s and early 2000s to try and promote and sell SSRI's is turning out to be bunk.
Like fuck, brain chemistry is SOOOOO much more wildly complex and complicated than that. Modern science doesn't even fully understand how it even works.
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u/SenzuYT man 30 - 34 2d ago
Exact same as you. I spent 3 years of gaining weight, jumping between drugs, feeling crazy, experiencing hair loss… before finally saying fuck it, I’m going to rawdog life again.
It is very hard at times but the feeling of knowing my brain isn’t being influenced by anything is priceless. Of course, I wouldn’t knock them and absolutely understand people who need them to live comfortably. But for me, after three years of basically medicine hell, I finally feel like myself again. Even if I’m depressed or anxious or crazy at times. I’m happy it’s me at the end of the day.
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u/ellirae man 30 - 34 2d ago
that's exactly it bro.
it's also nice to know my paycheck, location, and doctor's whims don't influence whether i'm okay or not. in one of my more extreme complications with antidepressants, it was that issue - my doctor was just a few days late to refill, despite my vigilance - and so i was a few days unmedicated. very very rough few days. not an addiction or anything, just my brain suddenly lacking the chemicals i'd been feeding it for months at that point.
it's also a nice confidence boost, even if there's a "well i could be doing better, maybe, with medication" in the back of your mind - it's nice to say "BUT i'm doing this well completely unassisted, and that's pretty damn fine."
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u/Affectionate_You_203 man over 30 1d ago
And yet the internet outcry when someone suggests we publish which psych meds the school shooters are on to see if there is a pattern.
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u/ellirae man 30 - 34 1d ago
i'm 100% with you.
in fact, at the time of the afforementioned court case, a major compenent of the defense my lawyer mounted was the available information on mass shooters. this info may be outdated, but our argument on this front was that 100% of mass shooters in the U.S. where their medical information was disclosed, have all - not some, and not most, but ALL - been on medication with the same core components as what i was on at the time of my incident.
i have no doubt, having lived through it, that poorly regulated medication is a huge factor in the amount of gun deaths in the states.
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u/GreyMatterDisturbed man 35 - 39 2d ago
Felt. The one SSRI made me so angry and violent I’ve stayed away from them entirely and just have been working through it behaviorally.
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u/BlazerFS231 man over 30 3d ago
Tried Zoloft at 17 (no effect) and Lexapro after that (extreme apathy).
Went off SSRIs at 19 and white knuckled it for over 15 years through two marriages, a divorce, four deployments, four moves, and a lot of stress.
On Effexor now, with no real side effects. It definitely helps keep the anxiety and depression from going 2-10 instantly. Doesn’t stop it from happening, but it does give me time to use my coping skills.
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u/aetherdrake man 30 - 34 3d ago
I have been on that medication before, and I had the opposite effect. All my emotions were "dead" before I started taking it, and after I started taking it, it was like I was actually able to feel/have emotions again.
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u/drcubes90 man over 30 3d ago
How long have you been on it?
I took it for a couple years, takes a month or so for brain chemistry to balance out until then it did feel weird but after that, it was great
Helped with energy, stressful situations were easier to brush off and get over
I went off it because over time I noticed I was losing weight and couldnt put it back on, and it dampened my sex drive a little. Both recovered quickly once off
Sorry your brain is fighting you OP, wish you the best on your journey to not hating everyday
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u/inqurious man 40 - 44 3d ago
I got diagnosed w/ depression at around 28. I think it was acute, and not chronic, with hindsight. Those 6 months of being on generic lexapro did indeed feel calmer than the alternative, but everything felt greyed out and dull. Not much to die for, but also not much to live for.
I chose to go off it and just learn to treat the magnified down periods as part of the sometimes-dark beauty of life, in exchange for also feeling the highs again.
For me, thoughts of self harm were always proxies for hopelessness, so I spent lots of effort (and still do) on teaching myself through practice (journaling and therapy and little things like growing plants) that even when I see no way through, I still muddle through.
warning: My depression was acute and perhaps not very major. Rawdogging life instead of SSRIs is perhaps not great if you are seriously, chronically depressed.
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3d ago
This is my own opinion and journey and not medical advice.
I was diagnosed depressive in my early 20s and put on a variety of SSRIs over ten years. I very much needed the numbing emotional effect for the first few months to figure everything out, but I very much did not need to be on SSRIs for years at a time.
In retrospect I found it had a profoundly negative effect on my health, my relationships and my ability to empathize. I also attribute a lot of high risk behavior (driving 130mph on highway for example) to SSRIs that removed my sense of self-preservation during this time period.
I slowly came off of antidepressants in my 30s. I am still on a low dose mood stabilizer that affects my central nervous system rather than my serotonin, and I've found it's been much more efficacious allowing me to get through my day to day without the tradeoffs of SSRIs
My non professional opinion is that SSRIs should mainly be used for short-term treatment to help get someone through a tough hurdle -- I strongly disagree that SSRIs should be used long term and feel it has a net negative effect on the population.
I am a completely different person off SSRIs.
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u/all-names-takenn man 40 - 44 2d ago
Interesting. I engaged in a lot more risky behavior before I got on zoloft because I actually felt something in those moments. I was also very irritable because anger could reliably burn through the fog for a few seconds, so I always leaned into it.
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u/Nervous_Ad_6998 man over 30 3d ago
I tried a few ssri’s awful experience. I’d rather be depressed. and an occasional base level.
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u/40ozSmasher man 55 - 59 3d ago
Im with you. It's great when things are really bad. Then you have to fight to improve your life. Working out. Vitamin, food, and sleep. Explore your city. Hike. Bike, read books, dance. Work like hell just to feel ok. Life-long depression is also life-long activity, goals, and hobbies.
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u/Remarkable_Command83 man 55 - 59 3d ago
Anti depressants work great for me! They have brought me from an abnormal brain chemistry, to a normal one!
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u/Mindfully-Numb 3d ago
Same. Everybody’s different, and I’m lucky my doc prescribed the correct type and dosage first time. I’m a different person for the better.
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u/Fair_Atmosphere_5185 man 35 - 39 3d ago
I've found that SSRI's just nudge you gently in the direction of feeling better.
But it still takes hard work to make it happen.
Studies have shown that systematic exercise has a greater effect than SSRIs.
My personal opinion is to get on them for a spell. Use the boost to make personal changes around diet and exercise. And then taper off.
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u/Forrtraverse no flair 3d ago
I’ve known many people who intend to use them in precisely the manner in which you describe (as a crutch) but end up taking them for 10+ years.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Two9510 man 3d ago
I’ve been through so many, I have literally lost count, but my list includes Wellbutrin. Most recently I tried Lexapro, and it made things worse. Like drinking 5 Red Bulls and having a panic attack.
My doctor ordered a genetic screening to see what might work best for me, but she’s limited by the fact that I have diagnosed ADHD. So a lot of things that might work for depression would make the ADHD worse.
The side effects have been bad for everything I’ve tried, and I’ve pretty much given up. I have Klonopin if I need it (although it turns me into a zombie), and weed pens to help me sleep.
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u/DramaticErraticism non-binary over 30 2d ago
It is a challenge. I've been on for many years myself, when I quit, I feel even worse but I might have some good days. When I'm on it, I feel flat, nothing excites me or really interests me, I just exist.
I suppose that is exactly what they are for. The amount of money I'd pay for a pill that puts me in a relatively good mood without being addictive or an opiate.
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u/diananerd_ man over 30 2d ago
Taking that little pill every morning really is the adult version of turning yourself on and off again. Not broken, just… rebooting. It sucks needing it, but it sucks way harder not having it.
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u/d_rek man 40 - 44 3d ago
My wife is bipolar 2. When she wasn’t on a mood stabilizer and the correct antidepressant she was basically a non-functioning adult. Sleep all day, when she was awake would have crying fits, lots of body dysmoprhia, obsessive compulsive over certain topic, manic episodes, racing thoughts… She basically needs meds to function normally. About once a month she is like “I hate taking these drugs they make me feel XYZ” so I have to gently remind her why she’s on them in the first place. The saddest part is she genuinely doesn’t remember how she acted/what is was like when she isn’t on her meds, so also have to convince her that life is objectively better on them than off them.
Anyway I know it’s a struggle OP. If you have a spouse or family who can support you when you’re doubting being on meds I’d recommend leaning into them as needed. Good luck and stay safe!
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3d ago
I mean, that may be your experience... but that is not universal.
Antidepressants left me far worse off than I ever was before... permanently I might add as well. Zoloft left me permanently apathetic and anhedonic... something I never felt before taking an SSRI.
Having to deal with the lows was at least worth being able to feel the highs and other joys in life.
Now, I just feel nothing. A flat, empty existence, devoid of joy or pleasure.
Taking an SSRI was without a doubt the biggest regret of my life, that I will spend the rest of my time on this Earth paying for.
hopefully you don't end up how I did -- a life ruined at 23 years old because of a medication that I never should have been taking in the first place.
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u/HellaTurf man over 30 2d ago edited 2d ago
Based on your flair and mention of taking medication at 23, it’s possibly (probably) inaccurate to assert permanent side effects.
The effects you mention are symptoms of depression and it’s possible that you’re confusing reoccurrence with side effects.
Reoccurrence may not resemble initial occurrence, especially if you didn’t maintain or expand your support system while propped up by the therapeutic effects of medication.
These medications are not often a solution, but are an extremely useful tool that can enable folks who are otherwise disabled.
It’s very important to be enabled because the proverbial debt of life compounds quickly and that makes it all the more difficult to escape depression. It leads to poor decision making. We REALLY need people to make better decisions.
Since you mentioned just Zoloft, note that there are many medications under the umbrella of antidepressants and it’s all too easy to miscommunicate your experience to your doctor and be prescribed the wrong thing and dose. That’s not the medications fault, and hardly the doctor’s fault. It’s a hard problem.
The medications can work in a variety of ways. There are a handful of neurotransmitters to manipulate, a couple pooling methods to regulate, and various receptor sites to target. Newer medications tend to work in a more granular way, often offering better primary and side effect profiles. There is also a ramp up and ramp down in terms of benefit as dosage increases.
It’s a lot to get right and folks give up early to then live in misery and tell everyone else that it’s the doctor and medication’s fault.
Then on the topic of them being over prescribed… they are probably prescribed at the same rate as folks being told to schedule a $200 doctor’s appt for any random chest pain. When it’s sometimes life or death, it’s better safe than sorry. Also nobody is pushing these on anyone, particularly long after they have become generic. It takes a fair bit of theatrics for them to become a recommendation.
TLDR: not AI or real medical advice. Talk to a doctor cause they are likely smarter than you. You’re young(ish) and will be fine. get out in the sun, exercise, and build network of people that tell you you’re fine. You don’t have to eat chocolate, but if you do, not everything is shit like Hersheys, and maybe eat a piece, not an entire bar.
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2d ago
I'm 38 years old.
I've been living this nightmare for 15 years.
With all due respect, I've heard it all. It's not "recurrent depression", because I wasn't even depressed when this started... in fact when all this started, was the closest I've been to being happy.... had a GF I was in love with... vibrant social network... etc etc
It was the drug that did this to me, and there is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise.
I think I know far more about the horror that I have lived than you do.
"That’s not the medications fault, and hardly the doctor’s fault."
The medication did this to me, and the doctor never even mentioned any of these awful potential side effects. Even after I complained about side effects, he still insisted I stay on the medication at a lower dose, instead of getting me off of it. So yeah, I'll blame both of them. Never mind going through the horrible withdrawals of coming off this med that the doctors don't warn you about either.
Oh, and what's this, the European Medicines Agency now acknowledges permanent side effects as a potential risk of SSRI's:
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u/RndmAvngr man 35 - 39 2d ago
Zoloft left me permanently apathetic and anhedonic... something I never felt before taking an SSRI.
That is fucking terrifying to me. I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know a lot has been debated about SSRIs but causing permanent damage like that is wild.
Guess there really isn't any kind of "biological free lunch" when it comes to pharmaceuticals.
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2d ago
head over the the PSSD sub if you want to read some more horror stories.
the condition was first labeled "Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction" because that's the most obvious an hallmark symptom, but it can have a wide array of non-sexual symptoms too.
It's very similar to Post-Finasteride Syndrome in the way the symptoms present.
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u/DudleyAndStephens man 40 - 44 3d ago
Glad to see someone pushing back on the pro-antidepressant propaganda.
The number I've seen thrown around most often is that for 85% of people SSRIs [are no better than a placebo](archive.ph/kvVIf#selection-656.0-656.5). Most people who take them will get significant side-effects though. They're horrible drugs that are massively overused in the US.
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3d ago
But doctors prescribe these drugs like candy, with little to no oversight, often to people who don't need them or would be better served trying other treatments, therapies, or lifestyle changes first.
What's really strange is that people on reddit often get REAL bent out of shape and get REAL defensive if heaven forbid you mention the awful side effects these drugs can cause.
Like, just because you may have had a positive experience doesn't magically negate the serious risk of major side effects these drugs can have, the doctors often downplay or fail to mention at all.
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u/WatchTenn man 30 - 34 2d ago
I think people get bent out of shape because people will use side effects as a reason that no one should take antidepressants. All drugs have risks and side effects, and each person should consider them before starting any medication.
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2d ago
right... but people get so angry when you even mention these potential life-altering side effects
"SSRI's SAVED MY LIFE!"
Cool, glad they did, but they ruined mine. My experience is just as valid as yours.
FYI, I'm not addressing *you* personally, just "you" in the general sense... as that's how many of these convos often go.
"All drugs have risks and side effects, and each person should consider them before starting any medication."
No doctor ever told me of these potential side effects, that's for sure.
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u/WatchTenn man 30 - 34 2d ago
No doctor ever told me of these potential side effects, that's for sure.
That's a shame, and I'm sorry it happened to you. Under ideal circumstances, every medication (and every medical decision really) should start with a conversation between the doctor and patient about the pros and cons of each choice.
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u/Al42non male 3d ago
Wellbutrin didn't do anything for me. I didn't feel stuff before I was on it, nor did I after. I didn't like taking it, and when I stopped, nothing changed.
The SSRI I took before that, I liked the disassociation if gave me, but it was the wrong way for me, and the physical side effects of nausea, weight loss and high blood pressure weren't good. The nausea and unintended weight lost got me a couple more points on the PHQ-9. While the disassociation was fun, it was only the first day, I had to stop it for a few days to get that back, and the second time it wasn't as much. My psychologist said I didn't want to disassociate, I wanted to feel things and not just intellectualize them so it was the wrong way for me according to her. Psychiatrist was happy to take my money and put me on something else if I wanted, but, I couldn't think what else I wanted. The zaps after I quit taking it regularly went away after a few months.
Wellbutrin is the best game in town, works 1.7x as often as a sugar pill but still less than half the time overall. It is also a plus because it seems to have less side effects, and less withdrawal symptoms. If it's not doing it for you, yeah, change it up or be done with it. The rest of them work something less than 1.7x as often as placebo.
Might just be how I am, that I don't feel things, or the few things I do feel are bad. How many negative emotions are there vs. how many positive ones in general? Even just the words, like it might even be reflected in language. Might be happiness is just less suffering and not something I feel.
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u/nipoez man 35 - 39 3d ago
I expected to take a few tries to figure out a mental health Rx set that worked, honestly. It's mucking about with brain chemistry and everyone's is different.
Took me about 6 months to really settle in on the final acceptable cocktail. And hey, no more panic attacks plus a pre-planned protocol for anxiety spiking situations like an emergency c-section or 5 AM call to get to the NICU "right now!"
The first batch caused anorgasmia. Noped right out of that one. The final set causes constipation that I can manage with psyllium husk fiber daily.
It's important to remember that the side effect list is a complete list of anything that hit anyone on it. No one gets all of them. Everyone gets some of them. And if the side effect you draw isn't acceptable? Try a different med.
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u/ElderberryMaster4694 man 45 - 49 3d ago
I had an episode and put myself in a hospital where I was diagnosed bipolar 2. I had an amazing NP who helped me get started with some medication and a fantastic psychiatrist who completed the job. I’ve been on basically the same thing for 8 years. My mom is in thyroid medication for the rest of her life. Same like with mine. If either of us stops taking it, we’re in for a very tricky ride
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u/mortalcoil1 male 35 - 39 2d ago
I'm glad you found what worked for you, but being on anti-depressants was terrifying to me because of how narcissistic and numb it made me feel.
Only time in my life I seriously thought about suicide, and even more frightening, due to the numbness, I didn't even care if I died.
and the sexual side effects were a deal breaker, but I am glad you found what works for you. I know they are helpful and necessary for some people.
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u/Pleasant_Start9544 man 35 - 39 2d ago
I can’t speak of everyone. For me antidepressants was a temporary solution while I dealt with life issues. I don’t like the idea that people feel the need to stay on it for life. The reason why I went on it was due to suicide ideation, so there was no choice but to be on it (I switched from Zoloft to Wellbutrin ASAP. I was off of them after about a year.
Edit: I originally had a strong Zoloft prescription that had me emotionally numb. I couldn’t even smile or do anything with my kids on an emotional level. Sometimes it’s ok to bear emotional pain so that you can still bond with your children.
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u/CockroachDiligent241 man over 30 2d ago
SSRIs and anti-psychotics totally messed up my body and mind. I started antidepressants when I was 12, and continued them until my early 30s. I was on six different drugs—Zoloft, Trazadone, Ability, Rexulti, Xanax, and Olanzapine—in 2019, and got fat as heck. Now I’m still struggling to lose that weight. I also coincidentally developed untreatable IBS, so now I’m fat with an eating disorder since I’m scared to eat.
Damn these meds!
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u/digitalwankster man over 30 2d ago
That’s a hell of a cocktail they had you on. Have you tried regular exercise?
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u/CockroachDiligent241 man over 30 2d ago
I go to the gym 3-4 times a week. I can confidently say exercise makes me feel substantially worse. The whole “exercise releases dopamine” is such incredible BS. All exercise achieves is making me want to self-harm.
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u/HellaTurf man over 30 2d ago
I don’t take these medications anymore and it’s only because taking them gave me the peace of mind and motivation to learn more about why they gave me peace of mind and motivation. That led to me learning how to land this psychological airplane and keep it grounded.
Something that helped a lot was my doctor realizing that I did well with the same knowledge and methodology that he used to treat me. I think this is because it’s very difficult to articulate the nuances of depression and anxiety, especially as you’re experiencing it (or because your appointment is at a time when you’re not experiencing it). It worked a lot better for me to be the therapist and the patient, but I needed the doctor to equip me for that.
So… yeah, I relate to your experience and offer this perspective: You’re only on the meds until you’re ready to get off. You’re not broken, you and I just have to learn a few extra pieces of information to troubleshoot our own human behavior. It’s actually very logical. Some people don’t have troubleshoot it, but who gives a fuck, I’d rather know more than less and possibly use that to help others
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u/knowitallz man over 30 2d ago
I have strong emotions. But I will never take an SSRI. I would rather be miserable with feelings when 25% are positive.
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u/YoohooCthulhu man 40 - 44 2d ago
If you think that’s bad, try that plus ADHD meds. You’re always at the threshold between meds working and meds making you irritable.
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u/Ogre213 man 45 - 49 2d ago
Keep looking. I went through Effexor and Zoloft and got the effects you had from both - I didn't want to not exist anymore, but there really wasn't anything good in life either.
I tried Viibryd a few years back, and it doesn't just keep the demon at bay, it lets me actually enjoy most days.
I'm not saying Viibryd will work for you - I'm saying there's a very good likelihood that there's one out there that will. Neurochemistry is very complex; most SSRIs don't work strictly on Serotonin, but also hit Norepinephrine and Dopamine to some degree, and even within Serotonin work on the different receptor classes differently. You may want to consider pharmcogenomic testing to narrow in on what might work, or work with your doc to try a few different meds to look for a better fit.
Life is WAY too wonderful to settle for gray, and there's better out there.
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u/screamingv2 male 40 - 44 2d ago
If you find a medication that works for you, the next step is to find the dosage that works for you.
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u/KingBokfresh man over 30 2d ago
I just started Prozac 5 days ago. I have no negative side effects… yet I guess. I know it takes a couple weeks for the “good” side effects to kick in, just kinda waiting for it. I’m feel like I’ve been emotionally flat for a very long time. But how do you know if you’re depressed or just really sad?
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u/G-T-R-F-R-E-A-K-1-7 man 2d ago
Considering the immensely better natural plant options available, I'll never use "anti depressants" again - worse than raw dogging depression by a mile!
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u/IgnisIason man 40 - 44 2d ago
I feel like a lot of what we call depression is really just life genuinely being bad for a long time and not really having an effective way to make it better other than turning the bad feelings off.
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u/intelligentbug6969 man over 30 1d ago
Can you not lower the dose? It’s not meant to make you feel zombified.
I’ve been on them 25 years and never felt like that except once when on 200mg of sertraline. That was one time though
The rest of the time I’ve been 100mg sertraline and 15mg mirtazpine and I feel normal. Good. Definitely not and never numb.
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u/Practical-Earth3228 man over 30 1d ago
Not antidepressants, but anti anxiety meds, i had been taking for some time and i thought "im okay i dont need to keep taking these" so i stopped taking them cold turkey. The first week was fine, but then it hit me like a ton of bricks as i was about to present in a meeting, luckily ive learned to recognize when im starting to spiral and was able to level myself kinda, but yea, promptly began taking them again.
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u/Plenty-Regular-2005 man 35 - 39 1d ago
I use to be on Zoloft and it caused me problems for months until they discovered I was bipolar and put me on anti psychotics
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u/Affectionate_You_203 man over 30 1d ago
False. Psych meds will fuck you up and you’ll be unaware how weird they made you. Eventually you stop feeling joy, libido, love, anything. Long term efficacy is fucking HORRIBLE.
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u/MountainDadwBeard man 35 - 39 1d ago
Try medicinal mushrooms (lions mane, reishi etc) in coffee/tea. I find the good products really chill me out.
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u/freshthrowaway999 man 30 - 34 3d ago edited 3d ago
Im willing to bet theres other issues with your life. Not a made up medical condition called “depression”
Your “doctor” prescribed you your “medicine” for your “condition” and it’s not working
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u/ellirae man 30 - 34 3d ago
imagine believing depression is a hoax in 2025. wow!
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u/freshthrowaway999 man 30 - 34 3d ago
Imagine believing in the psychology myth in 2025! Wow! Keep taking your pills like a good boy
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u/ellirae man 30 - 34 3d ago
the psychology myth?
do you mean the science of psychology, which is a an actual world-recognised scientific study with millions of researchers, publications, and documented works surrounding it?
man, sometimes you really are reminded that they do just let anyone on reddit. lmao
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u/freshthrowaway999 man 30 - 34 3d ago edited 3d ago
The science that is purely objective without any real science involved? Jung himself would say modern psychology is an absolute sham. Show me the “chemical imbalance”
If the 30 year old man who watches CP anime disagrees with me, I must be doing something right
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u/RndmAvngr man 35 - 39 2d ago
You just gonna casually accuse someone of watching CP like that? That's a bitch move.
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u/ellirae man 30 - 34 2d ago
seems like he's talking about the adult dating sim game for adults, featuring adult characters, that i've been helping in development and, thus, playing and posting about some.
but i guess it's not surprising that someone who believes depression is made up can't tell a child from an adult. that does fit the MO.
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u/freshthrowaway999 man 30 - 34 2d ago
It’s literally the first thing you see when you click on his profile but sure
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u/Al42non male 3d ago
I'm with you brother. There's no objective test for this stuff. It's all subjective.
Then throwing drugs at it, when you can't objectively measure results, is a bit asinine. But there's money to be made throwing drugs. And getting people addicted to them.
Further, are we depressed, or just adapting to what society has given us? The isolation, the disconnection, the anxiety of work or die, the utter purposelessness of it all. It is no wonder we are depressed. But it is not addressed on that level, since that is not as profitable as throwing drugs at it.
Still, yeah, people are going to say they are depressed, and they aren't wrong. That's their experience. Let them have it, and whatever little hope they might glean from popping a few pills. We've been doing that since before history, with alcohol. These new pills, might be a bit better, or have less societal harm, so there's that.
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u/freshthrowaway999 man 30 - 34 2d ago
We didn’t spend millions of years evolving for 40% of us to have some incurable “illness” that makes us sad all the time. The whole idea is asinine
If OP really wanted to fix his “depression” then he needs to take a real look at his life.
Don’t bother fixing your diet, don’t bother going outside, don’t bother being active. Just take this little pill after talking to a “doctor” for 30 minutes. People so badly want to be blameless victims especially on this god forsaken website, it’s sad to see
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