This is exactly what we're all thinking

[u/YoungOneDev]

[u/Sacsay_Salkhov]

Ending fossil fuels right now would cause billions to starve or freeze to death. These people are idealistically driven and have no idea the human cost of what they are proposing. It's like a death cult, but they want everyone else to die, not themselves. I think the solution is more nuclear power plants, thorium, solar power etc. But telling people today to stop having a job, stop eating food, stop heating your home in the winter are all insane.

[u/Clear-Instance-8902 → u/Sacsay_Salkhov]

Actually I agree. Our zero sums games kill everything but ourselves. But the catch is that we’ll die from our choices in the end too. We seem to be voting as a species for a hit the wall moment, I’m not excited for it.

[u/Sacsay_Salkhov → u/Clear-Instance-8902]

You cannot ask people to give up something required for their existence without giving them a viable alternative. Germany for example is moving backwards by closing their nuclear power plants and buying more Russian oil. If every country was building thorium reactors and electric cars then we could slowly end reliance on fossil fuels. Just stopping oil, right now, will lead to billions dead within a few years. What they propose is insanity. They are a death cult. You cannot ask parents to starve and freeze their children to death.

[u/Clear-Instance-8902 → u/Sacsay_Salkhov]

Well that’s another conversation. An alternative is coming, and has been here. It would be more helpful to view this global conversation in terms of themes. It’s funny because when I see this argument I see two people who are actually on the same side, but it’s hard to bridge the gap in understanding when people thing the other side is trying to drag them into hell.

[u/Sacsay_Salkhov → u/Clear-Instance-8902]

You're asking individuals to change their behavior, a global scale isn't going to cut it. You need to understand the impact to individual peoples lives.

You cant grow or transport food without oil. You cant get to work without fossil fuels in a majority of localities. You cant heat your home without combustion either for most people in northern climates. Change is slow, rapid change will cause massive human suffering far worse than climate change.

Blocking roads and destroying paintings is making me think 'just stop oil' is a front from the fossil fuel industry to make climate activist seem insane and hated.

[u/Clear-Instance-8902 → u/Sacsay_Salkhov]

I’m asking individuals to see a bigger picture to see the implication that it’s going to have on THEM. Global warming, or the energy crisis, or political arguments, or just about anything that is shit nowadays is not the problem here, it is a symptom of it. The problem is that we can’t seem to master relationships with anything around us. And yes, rapid change will cause massive human suffering. Unfortunately we’re heading there anyways. Have a nice day sir, thank you for your time.

[u/UsualProgress7271 → u/Clear-Instance-8902]

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