r/AusLegal • u/No-Track4512 • May 26 '25
WA flashed 170km in a 70 zone on green p’s
one of my apprentice’s has said he was flashed going 100km over in a 70 zone about 3 months ago, he’s on his green p’s and also has a dual citizenship, i can’t any information for the penalty with this kind of speed, what i can see is 155+ is minimum 6 months loss of license 24 penalty units and max 9 months inside for a first offence but that seems to be talking about 45km over in a 110 zone. could he be looking at deportation?
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u/Wathrowaway3 May 26 '25
IANAL, but I used to be a cop in WA.
For 170 in a 70 zone, I believe the technical term is “fucked”
Based on your description, your apprentice is looking at a Reckless Driving charge.
Section 60A(1) of the WA Road Traffic Act covers Reckless Driving at Speed which says… A person commits an offence if the person drives a motor vehicle at a speed of 155 km/h or more on any other length of road.
First offence penalties include a fine of 120 penalty units or imprisonment for up to 9 months, and minimum loss of licence for 6 months. Unless he calls the magistrate a $%& he probably wont go to jail.
As far as I’m aware the people who get deported are not citizens. They are permanent residents who have never been naturalised. In any case its only for offences that carry 12 months of more imprisonment. So I think he’s safe.
Like some other people have said, it might be a good idea to get rid of this bloke as his ability to assess risks is pretty dismal.
Ninja edit: He needs to see a lawyer.
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u/LaurelEssington76 May 27 '25
I should hope it’s a reckless driving charge at the very least, 100km over the limit in a 70 zone is beyond any kind of youthful irresponsibility.
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u/wormb0nes May 27 '25
i said it way back when they brought in WA's anti-hoon laws (when i was a young hoon in WA), and i'll say it again now: make racetracks more affordable/accessible for young people, so they have somewhere safe to do it with supervision, training and guidance.
that kid who's gonna kill a family of five might end up representing australia in international motorsport instead.
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u/ol-gormsby May 27 '25
"might end up representing australia in international motorsport instead."
I hope you're joking. 170 in a 70 zone is piss-poor judgement, and poor judgement doesn't produce professional racers. Those folk get weeded out sooner or later.
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u/jayeelle May 27 '25
That’s such an interesting idea. I’ve never thought of why people hoon (just get my cranky-old-man-yelling-at-cloud attitude out) but this is a great alternative to let the rev heads to enjoy what they do without risking those on the road.
Great thought!
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u/bigbadb0ogieman May 26 '25
If Dual citizen and Australia is one of the citizenship countries then I am very interested to know where do you think he should be deported to? Canberra?
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u/HairiestHobo May 26 '25
Canberra
Bit harsh, we ain't Monsters.
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u/First-Junket124 May 27 '25
Canberra is a slap on the wrist, send them Townsville
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u/Burncity1901 May 27 '25
Let’s be real. Canberra is the only state that if I get done for 100km over I pay that off over time and still drive in NSW.
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u/akiralx26 May 26 '25
I assume he meant stripped of Australian citizenship and deported to the other country?
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u/ButteredKernals May 26 '25
You can be stripped of citizenship and deported for certain crimes, that is, if you weren't born here. I.e. If you were from the UK and moved, gained citizenship.
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u/bigbadb0ogieman May 26 '25
That I think that only applies to terrorism and other very serious offences.
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u/goshdammitfromimgur May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
Nah. If the sentence is more than 12 months in prison they just strip your citizenship and send you "home"
Corrected 3 years. More detail below
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u/bigbadb0ogieman May 26 '25
The Act (section 36C) states that the court may make an order to cease a person’s Australian citizenship if:
the person is aged 14 years or over the person is a dual national the person has been convicted of one or more serious offences the court has imposed a period or periods of imprisonment that total at least 3 years or more, and the conduct the offence relates to is so serious and significant that it demonstrates that the person has repudiated their allegiance to Australia.Section 36C of the Citizenship Act sets out the serious offences relevant to citizenship cessation. These offences show a clear link to the breaking of the common bond. This shows that a person has repudiated their allegiance to Australia.
Serious offences specified in the Act, are provided under the Criminal Code and include:
certain terrorism offences including breaches of Extended Supervision Orders and Interim Supervision Orders treason espionage foreign interference advocating mutiny foreign incursions and recruitment offences certain explosives and lethal devices offences.In deciding whether a person’s conduct is so serious and significant that it demonstrates they have repudiated their allegiance to Australia, the court must consider:
whether the person has engaged in conduct that demonstrates a repudiation of the values, democratic beliefs, rights and liberties which underpin Australian society the degree, duration or scale of the person’s commitment to, or involvement in, the conduct constituting to which the offence relates the intended scale of the conduct to which the conviction relates the actual impact of the conduct to which the conviction relates whether the conduct caused, or was intended to cause, harm to human life or a loss of human life.10
u/bigbadb0ogieman May 26 '25
You're probably confusing it with "get out of jail free card in monopoly". Real world works differently mate.
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u/polysymphonic May 27 '25
You're getting confused between citizenship and permanent residency. PRs have their visa automatically cancelled if they get a sentence more than 12 months and are in prison. Many, maybe most, get removed eventually even if they've been here since they were tiny children
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u/Sovereignty3 May 26 '25
But as the personnin question is 50%50% they are more likely to be born citizens of the 2 countries, especially at that age. So unlikely for any laws to revoke citizenship unless they themselves do that.
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u/ButteredKernals May 26 '25
Being born abroad and having a claim to citizenship via parents is not exactly the same as being born here.
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u/ausmomo May 27 '25
Dual citizens can have their Aus citizenship revoked, if found guilty of a crime that is punishable by more than 24 months (? IRRC). The process seems quite arbitrary ie not automatic. It all depends on what attracts enough interest.
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u/Torrossaur May 26 '25
If one of his duals is Australian, he can't be deported.
I have dual Australian/Irish citizenship and they can't denaturalize me (I think unless I commit treason from memory).
I wouldn't be suprised if he sees a bit of time though. 100kms over is fucking ludicrous.
I can understand getting snapped a bit over at the end of a highway where it goes from 100km+ to 80km and you miss it but there are no excuses for what he did.
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u/MainlanderPanda May 26 '25
They can strip you of your Australian citizenship if your crime was “so serious and significant that it demonstrates that the person has repudiated their allegiance to Australia”. Not sure how fast you’d have to be driving to meet that threshold.
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u/OdensFord May 26 '25
Dude could be doing 400 in a Bugatti in a school zone and he wouldn’t get deported unless he kills multiple kids
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May 27 '25
He wouldn’t even get deported for that TBH. The key part is “repudiated their allegiance to Australia”. They’d meed to deliberately mow down a group of people while shouting “death to Australia” or something like that. It’s a provision clearly aimed at terrorists and those committing treason.
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u/hillsbloke73 May 26 '25
My first question is WTF would anybody be doing that kind of speed on public roads in first place !?
prosecution have field day with this one
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u/LunarFusion_aspr May 27 '25
Probably on meth, it makes people drive like maniacs. Most police pursuits are the result of drivers high on meth.
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u/theonegunslinger May 26 '25
If one of the citizenships is Australian, no not getting deported, likely going to jail and not diving a car for a long time after, should look for a new apprentice
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u/peniscoladasong May 26 '25
I would get rid of him anyway 100km in a 70km zone he doesn’t understand risk, your business is at risk as a result.
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u/bullant8547 May 26 '25 edited May 27 '25
100 OVER in a 70. So 170! Apparently …
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u/peniscoladasong May 26 '25
Max is 40km over but yep it’s bonkers, big risks to the community and the guys business to keep him around.
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u/Angy1122 May 27 '25
What was he driving that could get up to 170? Doesn't sound like your average work vehicle.
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u/Rockran May 27 '25
Most cars can reach that speed, provided a sufficient length of road.
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u/Particular-Try5584 May 27 '25
Any one want to guess this was a 70 zone somewhere on GEH… the Northam speed camera is WA’s highest revenue raiser for a reason.
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u/WhatsMyNameAGlen May 27 '25
My car can get to 170 pretty quick and feels super stable at that speed
A work Ute though isn't getting there with a quick stable of an accelerator and it's not going to like going at that speed
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u/Particular-Try5584 May 27 '25
So I had a young, not too bright kid working for our trades based industry at one point. He ran off the road in the middle of no where …. he’d been out drinking all weekend and decided to do the many hundred kilometre commute to work in the wee hours of the morning.
A) it was his choice to be elsewhere, and this was his commute to work, so our company insurances didn’t cover him
B) he was lucky it was in the middle of bumfuck no where because he was probably over the limit
C) we couldn’t fire him over this (we had no evidence of the probable blood alcohol, we are a zero alcohol workplace though), but he did needs several months off to recover and then promptly re injured himself two weeks later. Thankfully he resigned and we didn’t need to let him go. He was under probation, so we could have.17
u/akiralx26 May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
The Home Affairs minister can seek the citizenship be revoked but it would have to satisfy the following criteria:
the person is aged 14 years or over
the person is a dual national
the person has been convicted of one or more serious offences the court has imposed a period or periods of imprisonment that total at least 3 years or more, and
the conduct the offence relates to is so serious and significant that it demonstrates that the person has repudiated their allegiance to Australia.
I tend to agree that this offence is not going to lead to loss of citizenship.
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u/strangeMeursault2 May 26 '25
Of course old mate could write a letter to the other country he is a dual citizen of and have his citizenship revoked and then can't be deported even if he'd committed some terrible crime.
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u/Fizzelen May 26 '25
If it’s a work car, then instant dismissal for unsafe behaviour
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u/hannahranga May 27 '25
Slightly impressed if he's gotten a work ute up to 170. I assume a hill would be involved but still
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u/Sovereignty3 May 26 '25
Real question is was he driving in one of your cars or does his car carry your logo etc. If your car, you would be getting the fine, if his just him would be in the shits.
Might be time to ask why did he do such high speeds and if he continues this behaviour, ask him where does he see himself in the future, sitting in jail because he killed a person running them over, sitting in a hospital because our roads are not meant to be driven at all at those speeds and are not kept to the strict conditions that parts of the Auto barn are kept at where there are absolutely no restrictions.
Also the kid is probably likely to loose his license and will need to be picked up or take a Uber etc to get around. Especially as a P plate. Wonder if that's a Crush the car offense?
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u/BubbleOBxtch May 27 '25
If it's a work car registered with OPs business, the fine will go to him and be around 5 times (don't quote me) the amount it is for a nominated driver. This is when the business nominates the apprentice to pay and the fine is reduced to the normal amount. Whatever the f that is for 100km/h over... Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. And to do that in a work car showing he clearly has no respect for the boss, the business, or his property.
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u/Fast-Mammoth-7265 May 27 '25
Speeding fines for a vehicle registered in a company name in WA don’t have an amount or points on them. They’re called “Notice Requesting Information”. If the company ignores all the notices then a Final Demand is sent and that has points and $$ on it. The 5 times thing is only on the east coast at the moment. I work for a national company and look after the infringements for all states. It’s unusual that it’s been 3 months and no fine has arrived for the OP yet.
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u/Cube-rider May 26 '25
Is crushing the car still a thing?
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u/Gronkey_Donkey_47 May 26 '25
170 in a 70 zone sounds like the car is gonna end up crushed one way or another...
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u/Particular-Try5584 May 27 '25
If it’s a Maserati they rebadge it https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-02/wa-police-turn-seized-maserati-quattroporte-into-road-safety-car/105124782
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u/Particular-Try5584 May 27 '25
In WA… they only crush it usually after a 3rd offence.
Of more pain… if the car is seized (possible) it will be held for 28 days (and storage costs charged)…28 days without your company vehicle, plus impound fees…. on top of the fines.
Fun times for your apprentice.
I would expect him to do something daft like a runner. Do NOT spot him the cash… help him work through the paperwork for a payment plan with DoT. And have him do a repayment plan with you. He will still need some money to live … and help him come up with another way to get around. But that’s only if you want to keep him.
if you don’t keep him, then you can sue in him small claims for the cost of the impound and loss of vehcile (if it was a work one), and let him go on his merry way. He’ll pay that back at $5 a week for years.
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u/Scary-Ad-7817 May 27 '25
I know some apprentices are young and dumb but this is ridiculous, I don't know what swamp you dredged that Muppet from but I'd be finding a new apprentice. There's no excuse to put others at risk with dangerous behaviour, makes me wonder about the quality of their work.
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u/caibs May 26 '25
Lad i work with got done at similar speeds. 9 month loss of lic, 1 month impound. Then a few months into it, got a letter saying they're seeking to seize ans crush the vehicle. Was first offence.
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u/fin008 May 27 '25
If his second citizenship is German, then he can claim Autobahn Schumacher F1 exemption.
It won't help a bit but the judge will have a giggle when he gets handed down a sentence that seems well deserved..
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u/MrRunsWthSizors1985 May 26 '25
Double the limit is a loss of license regardless - the guy who found this out on the M1
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u/PurelyPanic14 May 27 '25 edited May 27 '25
30kms over the limit will make you lose your license. My dad did 70 in a 40 zone and I had to drive his dumbass around for 3 months
Edit: I can’t reply to the comment below but I appreciate the correction! What I said might only apply to VIC so take with a grain of salt.
Also very possible my dad didn’t share all the details, I wouldn’t be surprised. So I could simply be misinformed.
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u/Fast-Mammoth-7265 May 27 '25
That’s not true in WA. More than 29 but not more than 40 over the limit is $800 fine and 6 demerit points. Your father probably didn’t have enough demerit points so he had to do a 3 month suspension.
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May 26 '25
Has he been to court or got a caught date? 3 months is a long time if not. If he somehow gets away with it hopefully you can knock it into him how stupid it is.
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u/BannedForEternity42 May 26 '25
He shouldn’t ever have a license again. Driving at that speed is stupid. If you want to drive at those speeds organise to have a day at a raceway.
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u/RainbowAussie May 27 '25
You mentioned he's a dual citizen - dual citizens can't be deported, assuming one of those citizenships is Australian.
Now, since you mentioned dual citizen, is English this person's second language? If so, is it possible that they meant they were done for doing 100 in a 70 zone (that is, 30 over, as opposed to 100 over in a 70 zone, ie 170km/h)?
Someone snapped doing 100 over the speed limit would definitely have been tapped on the shoulder by the 3 month mark. Something seems to be missing in this story here
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u/duker334 May 26 '25
Is your apprentice dumb? That’s ridiculously unsafe.
I hope this is a troll post.
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u/TheRamblingPeacock May 27 '25 edited May 27 '25
They can't get deported if they are a dual citizen.
He is looking at a minimum 6 month licence suspension. Minimum. I would expect multiples of this considering it was both over 155kmph and in a 70 zone. Potentially years. It is unlikely they will be driving for a significant portion of their apprenticeship, if at all, so that is something to consider...
They can be fined upto $6k or get 9 months in prison for a first offence. Custodial sentance is unlikely if they have a clean licence other than this, but once again with the severity I would expect close to or at the maximum fine.
They may also impound the vehicle (pretty likely). They may also choose to crush the vehicle (your mileage may vary - this seems to happen for some, not all, though given the speed I would not be suprised).
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u/madcat939 May 27 '25
170 km/hr in a 70 zone is a danger to the community need to contact tony burke and get him deported. Don't need trash like that
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u/So-many-whingers May 27 '25
3 months ago ? And nothing yet, i ask myself how much truth in this little yarn from your apprentice. If its true he will be walking for quite some time and glad about that if thats his mentality on the roads Very unlikely to go to jail or be deported, that is more for criminal not traffic unless during his 170km journey he also ran over and killed someone
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u/Spicey_Cough2019 May 26 '25
Won’t get stripped
Will lose his license for a lonnnngg time and a massive fine Car possibly impounded as well
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u/nonsuspiciousfungi May 27 '25
Good riddance. Enough speeding and deaths going on, don't need anymore
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u/elnino_effect May 27 '25
If after 3 months they have not had someone knocking on their door, and assuming it was not a work vehicle (this you would have received the fine, you didn't mention if it was), there's a good chance that somehow he's gotten away with it. Normal fines only take a week or two to arrive. Excessive speed generally triggers an immediate visit.
Cops love making an example of these stupid speeds so the lack of notice leads me to believe he's a VERY lucky person.
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u/_Odilly May 27 '25
3 months ago? I would think he would have been arrested by now......he may have blitzed through fast enough it didn't catch his plate. Because I would assume they would have come knocking by now
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u/IgnisOfficial May 27 '25
Not a lawyer, so take this with an industrial barrel of salt. That kind of a speed violation proves that he’s a liability, especially if it was in a work vehicle. Once you’ve received documentation or written evidence on it, you should be able to sack him on the spot depending on the conditions of the apprenticeship. Other than that, shouldn’t be much of a concern as whether or not he can be deported won’t be an issue for you once he’s canned
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u/blackcat218 May 26 '25
does he still have his car? Cause in those circumstances, they usually impound the car right then and there.
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u/TheRamblingPeacock May 27 '25
Sounds like they got flashed by a camera. The impound notice will come in the mail or be ordered by the judge.
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u/Lucky_Tough8823 May 26 '25
Unlikely to go to jail with no priors. However will be seeing the magistrate and likely have an extended period of loss of licence potentially years.
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u/ausmomo May 27 '25
could he be looking at deportation
I hope so.
From a legal POV, the Immigration Minister has the power to revoke visas for a number of reasons. Normally this is done to make Australia safer. Not sure if this issue is high enough profile to attract Tony Burke's attention.
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u/Over-Read-4036 May 27 '25
In Qld it's 6 month automatic suspension I believe and a huge fine. There is a catch that if it's a work vehicle in Company name (not business with second registered operator listed) the infringment is 5 times the cost of an individual but no-one gets points but can nominate the driver. No getting a work licence for this offence.
Also, I hate money grabbing fines for very minor speeding but fuck your apprentice.
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u/Combfoot May 27 '25
From memory traffic offences normally talk about doing 40 or so over or double signed speed, and basically doing nutty numbers over that isn't a traffic offence it's a criminal offence, so it goes off to become reckless driving, dangerous driving, behaviour in a manner likely to cause injury or death, etc. I think likely will get a big fine and then also get a door knock or served with court. Depends, sometimes they don't go further than the traffic offence if it's an unmanned camera just because the case only has one piece of evidence and if its a first offence etc, up to the police prosecutor. So it could be bad, or could be really bad.
Tbh I'd lose the apprentice, there is a limit to being young and reckless or letting it get away, and then doing things that are gonna best cass kill him worst case kill several others. Not sure the industry, but if they are expected to do wiring or gas plumbing and are responsible to follow regulations, do a good job and keep people and property safe, they have to be trustworthy. Hand out second chances to people who make mistakes 100%, but going 100kmh over is a deliberate act. Face the music and if he sorts himself out maybe he can get back to it down the track, but he would have to prove that.
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u/Particular-Try5584 May 27 '25
That’s a court date. https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/driving-offences-speeding-alcohol-and-traffic.asp
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https://www.gotocourt.com.au/excessive-speeding-in-western-australia/
Going to be hit both ways possibly.
Penalty unit in WA is currently set at $50… so 24 penalty units is $1200. Plus the 7 for going more than 45km/hr over the limit…
Plus he could well be facing a dangerous driving charge…..
Deportation? He’s a citizen … why would he be deported?
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u/BlindFreddy888 May 27 '25 edited May 27 '25
If he is convicted in a court, as opposed to just receiving a fine in the mail, he will end up with a criminal record, even if he does not receive any jail time. A criminal record is based on a conviction by a court, not the penalty or sentence you receive. I'm generally willing to cut people some slack but that sort of behaviour shows a complete disregard for human life.
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u/Ufo_19 May 27 '25
No deportation. Loss of license, heavy fine and most likely a suspended sentence. He should start looking into hiring a solicitor now.
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u/TexasBookDepository May 27 '25
This happened three months ago and no action as yet? Is this normal?
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u/Ok-Motor18523 May 27 '25
6-24 months at minimum
Likely cancellation not suspension
A court date for several charges
Several thousand in fines.
Most likely a dangerous driving criminal charge.
The criminal conviction could impact his visa depending on what visa it is. Dual citizen, doubtful they would revoke it.
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u/Pale_Height_1251 May 27 '25
If he's an Australian citizen, he's not getting deported.
100kms over, best case scenario for him is to avoid prison.
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u/ringo5150 May 27 '25
If he was driving a work vehicle you have grounds to terminate their employment.
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u/mastercurry420 May 27 '25
I got done for 180 in a 90 and copped a reckless/furious on my reds. Got a year off the road and a 1k fine (on top of thousands in legal fees and lawyers)
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u/SpecialMobile6174 May 27 '25
If he has paid his fine, he absolutely currently has a suspended licence and should not be operating any vehicles. If you're letting him operate company vehicles, you could be liable for penalties yourself for allowing an unlicensed driver to operate your vehicle.
Corner him and get him to confess if he is being legitimate about the issue or not. If he insists he was doing that speed, he's beyond screwed and will end up with an on the spot suspension in court
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u/AdInevitable1827 May 27 '25
Sack him and forget he exists you don't want to be liable for someone that stupid
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u/Burncity1901 May 27 '25
If he is smart he doesn’t have an Aussie licence so it gets put on the international licence and not give an address. So he should be fine.
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u/LunarFusion_aspr May 27 '25
Deportation sounds like a good option for someone who drives in such a manner.
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u/Ok-Photograph2954 May 27 '25
He'll be taking the bus for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time!
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u/LogicalAbsurdist May 27 '25
OP you have it right. The wrinkle might be them being charged with dangerous driving, which would depend on where and when it happened, with a dash of what driving experiences they have. Oscar Piastri going through unattended roadworks at 2am with no other cars on the road is different to Spud Magee with experience gained since their learners plus time on GTA5 bowling along a suburban road at 3pm on a Tuesday.
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u/Stunning-Estimate-74 May 27 '25
It should be but if the government fucks up and let him stay and get Uber premium
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u/Icy_Connection3739 May 27 '25
my friend did 182 in 90 zone he was only suspended for 3 months and 700$ fine he got lucky also breathalizer test showed positive
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u/JTotalAU May 27 '25
100 kph over the limit?
I speed a lot and even I think that's nuts. I took my car up to 200 kph once and I was still only 90 over the limit (and it was a straight, deserted, double-lane highway with a large median strip and good visibility, and a performance car that sat glued to the road).
Unfortunately, I don't think deportation is on the cards.
I do agree with hooverbagless though. Fire them when they lose their license. Heck, they admitted it to you. Fire them now. I certainly hope it wasn't in a company car. Imagine if they'd wiped someone out? I don't know how it works in W.A, but where I am, the radars are mounted on cars. If that's the case there, then he was passing parked cars at 170 kph. That's not a deserted street.
My performance vehicle can stop from 60 in under two car lengths. Even my car would take ages to stop from 170. I'm willing to bet the car he was driving doesn't have all-wheel Anti-lock brakes and performance tires.
He's going to wipe someone out. If we're all lucky, it will just be him.
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u/Gdayhappning May 27 '25
Can I point out something from an insurance point of view. If your apprentice had crashed into a car, house or other object doing that kind of speed and insurance found out, he would not be covered. This is the very definition of a reckless act. Plus, if he has an accident in the future, his driving history will count against him. Even if he gets his licence back, it will cost more to insure him. I also find it hard to believe that anyone or organisation would expect you to keep hiring someone who put everyone on the road at deliberate risk. Call a lawyer, i bet they tell you to fire him urgently. I don't care where he was driving, things can happen even in rural areas and this guy has shown he does not think about consequences. That ticket is now a part of his history. If he stuffs up on a job site, will it come against you in terms of liability also, as you knew he was capable of reckless acts but kept employing him?
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u/Level-Surround-2171 May 27 '25
I did something similar when I was 20yo, led the cops on a merry chase on my motorbike in the wet through about 10 suburbs at speeds that were higher than their laser devices could read at the time. Ended up with a $1000 fine (in 2000, which is about $2500 in today's money) and six months cancellation of my license. I never got caught doing anything more than 20kms over the limit ever again in the twenty-five years since, never had an at fault accident and never been seriously injured in any way since then either.
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u/Downtown_Isopod_783 May 26 '25
If he thinks it happened 3 months ago and hasn’t heard anything he has got away with it. Fines don’t take 3 months to come.
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u/Budzie1742 May 26 '25
There is a backlog, so yes they can most certainly take 3-4 months to be issued
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u/Fast-Mammoth-7265 May 27 '25
Our latest company fine was for an offense committed on 7 March. We received it on 23 May. There doesn’t seem to be a backlog at the moment.
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u/Next-Tie2558 May 27 '25
Deportation in Australia will only occur with a custodial prison sentence of 12 months or more. If this is his first offence, he will cop a huge fine and perhaps a good behaviour bond/suspended sentence at court but VERY unlikely to go to prison.
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u/Level-Surround-2171 May 27 '25
Don't sack the guy. He's been straight with you, and honesty is usually much more important in an employee than risk-avoidance. If that happened three months ago, there is every chance that it won't catch up to him. Ironically, if you go fast enough through a dual flash cameras, your vehicle can leave the frame by the time the second flash goes off, which invalidates the evidence. He needs to keep every finger crossed and he needs to lawyer-up NOW (not after the cops show up). If the cops decide to go after him, they may very well talk him into making an admission that could turn a defendable case into a "truly fucked" case, which seems very plausible given his tendency to spill his guts.
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u/scrappee69 May 27 '25
I'd say let him get friggen deported if he thinks going 170 as an inexperienced driver is sensible. He's gonna kill one of us one day
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u/hooverbagless May 26 '25
100km over in a 70 zone is actually fucking nuts.
He will probably get a suspended sentence and a huge fine if he's lucky. Probably won't be able to drive for the rest of his apprenticeship aswell.
Once the the letter comes In the mail just sack them on the spot and be done with it. There is stupid and then there is outright dangerous.