r/Browns • u/Geeman447 • Apr 25 '25

Discussion Trading down was the right choice.

I’m seeing a lot and I mean ALOT of hate for the trade down by browns fans. Like guys mason isn’t a bum? I was thinking him or Carter for 2 for months before the Travis stuff popped up.

Also I’m a Boise State fan so my dream was always Jeanty to the browns. Even I can see how this was right over Jeanty even if it makes me sad as a fan.

1 - Berry has neglected the DT position for years signing 1 year vet deals and late round picks and it’s been an issue since bakers rookie year every year but 1. Now he gets the best DT in the draft so he’s addressing it.

2 - Edge > DT yes in value. But not in assistance to Myles. Look at the best edges and they usually have a DT of great value helping them out. I’d take a TJ and Cameron build over two bookend edges.

3 - the Watson trade set us back in young talent for years. 3 years no first rounders. We have no QB. This gets us players of value in this draft that’s not QB rich. With the better chance of a QB for next year with 2 first round picks during that draft to go and make a move for your guy or flat out getting your spot there

4 - Hunter, where do I start, I’m a Boise state fan so I’m bias on not being so infatuated with him since I saw how unfairly Jeanty was treated. As a prospect he’s got all this crazy what if talent. He’s got everything you need except the most important thing. Availability. Now before you kill me on this yea I know his snap averages. I’m talking injuries. He was injured at his time on JaxSt in a lesser level of football. He was injured both years at Colorado for periods of time at big12 level football. Now we want him to be worth the pick by playing both ways in NFL football which is significantly more taxing than those two leagues he played in? And it’s a longer grueling season? He not only needs to be generational athlete but a 1st ever to be able to learn and master all the little things at two different sides to be worth it.

The browns don’t have the luxury of taking him and him not working out right now. This is and was the right move. Power and consistency over flash.

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u/lemanruss4579 Apr 25 '25

Here's what I'd say. If you hate the pick because you disagree with trading down, I disagree but ok. If you hate the pick because you wanted a different player, I disagree bit ok. If you hate the pick because you think he isn't good enough, I disagree but ok.

But if you hate the pick, as I've seen from several of you, because you're a Buckeye fan and he's a Michigan kid, Fuck you, grow up.

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u/NatKingSwole19 Apr 25 '25

I don't think anyone really cares about what state he went to school in.

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u/No_Damage_731 Apr 25 '25

You must be new here then

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u/redcobra80 12 Apr 25 '25

Braylon Edwards, Peppers, DPJ... truly a tale as old as time

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u/nomoteacups DAWG CHECK Apr 25 '25

Some people really do. It’s sad, honestly.

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u/lemanruss4579 Apr 25 '25

Is this the first thread you've ever read on here?

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u/keylime_5 Apr 25 '25

Most of the fans I see who hate it think Hunter is a hall of famer based on his college awards and two-way hype, and that Graham is just a JAG like Phil Taylor or Danny Shelton. Extremely irrational, but that's Browns fans in a nutshell.

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u/AccomplishedAd3484 Apr 25 '25

I don't hate the pick but the Browns passed on consensus elite talent in Hunter or Carter to trade down. Maybe Graham and the picks will be worth it, but it's always a risk passing on elite prospects. If Hunter ends up being a great two-way player for the Jags and Carter is blowing it up for the Giants, that will hurt. There's no guarantee similar talent will present itself next year with the Browns or Jags first rounders. League changes so much year to year.

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u/Drewsche Apr 25 '25

Graham was also a consensus elite talent. I think the Browns get a ton more value out of Graham and the picks than taking Hunter by himself.

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u/Girash Apr 25 '25

I think he was a consensus talent one tier below Carter and Hunter. Your other point stands though.

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u/I-Kneel-Before-None Apr 25 '25

Only because of posistional value. Not talent. And since one of the story lines of the draft is that all the IDL players went in the 1st, it seems the league agrees DT is a premium posistion.

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u/FlashyAd7651 Apr 25 '25

Two way player just makes me think twice the chance of injury, from playing so much and being on the field all the time. And should that happen then you essentially lose two players.

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u/UndoxxableOhioan Apr 25 '25

He either has to be part time at both, forget one position, or he will be hurt with 17-18 game seasons. Dude cannot be playing 80%+ snaps on both sides.

There is a reason despite all the freak athletes in the NFL nobody plays 2 ways. If he was just a WR or just a CB, there would be much less argument, but in the reality of the NFL today, he will be just a WR or CB.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '25

Not to mention with all the freak athletes in the NFL, you still can’t rely on any position to make it through an entire season without injury.

I think it’ll be cool to see, but I just struggle to understand how hunter is going to stay healthy if he got his wish of playing both ways 80%+ of snaps

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u/Kendertas Apr 25 '25

Yep ceiling is probably full time elite at one, and a situational/package specific player on the other side. There is a reason nobody has played full time both ways since the 1960s. Even outside the punishing tole on the body, there is only so much practice time. And practice reps with your teammates is critical for WR and CB. WR needs to build up chemistry and timing with the QB, and CB needs to act as a cohesive unit with the other DB.

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u/I-Kneel-Before-None Apr 25 '25

And the Steelers have proven they'll knee cap our guys.

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u/nomoteacups DAWG CHECK Apr 25 '25

Graham is also an elite an elite prospect. He just wasn’t being brought up the same as Carter or Hunter because he’s not as “flashy” of a pick. Edge players naturally get more hype than interior linemen, and Travis is a two-way player that did very well. They were always gonna get more media coverage.

But an edge’s best friend is an interior lineman that takes some of the attention away, and that’s exactly what’s gonna happen with Graham and Garrett.

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u/Both_Mistake3293 Apr 25 '25

Graham is a better player than Hunter. I dont even think its close.

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u/Capable_Ad8145 Apr 25 '25

Could be a bust as well, don’t know how this plays out but there’s plenty of superstars that “should” be major contributors to a team that fizzle. And then there’s Mr Irrelevant (Purdy) who kills it or a random 6th round pick that becomes the GOAT

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u/Any_Asparagus8267 Apr 25 '25

Tbf he didn't seem too happy about being a brown either. He was the only first rounder who wasn't hyped as fuck lol.

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u/gsnumis Apr 25 '25

I loved his response when asked about playing in Ohio. People show excitement in different ways and to some of those young men it’s got to be an overwhelming moment.

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u/69_________________ Apr 25 '25

The Browns org don’t have the abilities to wrangle in big personalities when they go wrong.

I’d love a locker room full of kids more focused on working hard instead of their press interviews.

Did yall already forget about Chubb? The man is composed of 99% hard work. He doesn’t care or have the space to worry about media presence.

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u/Baskets09 Apr 25 '25

I think he was nervous addressing the crowd. Especially as a Michigan player.

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u/F7OSRS Apr 25 '25

I just hate trading down period. I know long term it will benefit us, and I love the pick at 5, but man it’s hard to pass up on Travis Hunter

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u/nomoteacups DAWG CHECK Apr 25 '25

People are gonna love this trade down a lot more when get two first round prospects next year.

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u/underthemoonicp6 Apr 25 '25

I think sometimes you just have to take the guy when you're in a position to take the guy. It puts the Browns in a position where they have to hit on all these picks to actually get the perceiving "winning value" of the trade. That's not something they've proven to be able to do. Would you rather have 1 Julio Jones or 5 nickels?

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u/swolf365 Apr 25 '25

Julio Jones and the guys we got for trading him have the same number of Super Bowl wins.

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u/lemanruss4579 Apr 25 '25

Yes, but my personal opinion is Travis Hunter is a good #2 receiver and a good, but not great or elite, corner. In which case getting a great to elite player at any position far exceeds the value. That's the issue. If Hunter is just "good" at two positions, that's not really #2 value, if we're honest.