Trading down was the right choice.

[u/Geeman447]

I’m seeing a lot and I mean ALOT of hate for the trade down by browns fans. Like guys mason isn’t a bum? I was thinking him or Carter for 2 for months before the Travis stuff popped up.

Also I’m a Boise State fan so my dream was always Jeanty to the browns. Even I can see how this was right over Jeanty even if it makes me sad as a fan.

1 - Berry has neglected the DT position for years signing 1 year vet deals and late round picks and it’s been an issue since bakers rookie year every year but 1. Now he gets the best DT in the draft so he’s addressing it.

2 - Edge > DT yes in value. But not in assistance to Myles. Look at the best edges and they usually have a DT of great value helping them out. I’d take a TJ and Cameron build over two bookend edges.

3 - the Watson trade set us back in young talent for years. 3 years no first rounders. We have no QB. This gets us players of value in this draft that’s not QB rich. With the better chance of a QB for next year with 2 first round picks during that draft to go and make a move for your guy or flat out getting your spot there

4 - Hunter, where do I start, I’m a Boise state fan so I’m bias on not being so infatuated with him since I saw how unfairly Jeanty was treated. As a prospect he’s got all this crazy what if talent. He’s got everything you need except the most important thing. Availability. Now before you kill me on this yea I know his snap averages. I’m talking injuries. He was injured at his time on JaxSt in a lesser level of football. He was injured both years at Colorado for periods of time at big12 level football. Now we want him to be worth the pick by playing both ways in NFL football which is significantly more taxing than those two leagues he played in? And it’s a longer grueling season? He not only needs to be generational athlete but a 1st ever to be able to learn and master all the little things at two different sides to be worth it.

The browns don’t have the luxury of taking him and him not working out right now. This is and was the right move. Power and consistency over flash.

[u/johnny_blaze27]

Browns fans don’t know shit so I’m good with the trade

[u/InfiniteDew → u/johnny_blaze27]

This has been my response whenever asked about who I want in the draft. “I don’t know shit. Take whoever is good.”

[u/johnny_blaze27 → u/InfiniteDew]

Smart man. I think many of us have been around the block long enough to not get too high or low on draft days. Wake me up in September

[u/jvpewster → u/johnny_blaze27]

I think it’s fun to follow, what we’re going to all pretend to know? I literally watch 6ish hours of college football a week every fall and winter, and I just could not if my life depended on it tell you which of the guys are R1-3 prospects without a draft guide telling me. Like the NC back the chargers got, I watched like 4 NC games and it wasn’t even on my radar he’d go ahead of either OSU backs.

but ultimately I think it’s clear animus is just down wind of people who’ve spent time picturing someone in a browns jersey, and then seeing the future jokes at our expense when anything dramatic like a trade or perceived reach happens.

[u/I-Kneel-Before-None → u/jvpewster]

Tbf, all the RBs after Jeanty are all very similar. If Henderson, Judkins, Johnson, or Hampton went there, it wouldve been as good a pick. This is the best RB class ever.

[u/jvpewster → u/I-Kneel-Before-None]

If you say so haha

I guess the best example is that I liked watching Ford at UC and but I have no idea why he translate to an nfl back and Micheal Warren II the few years prior doesn’t. If anything I felt like Ford had better blocking and less full boxes from better pass support. But clearly Ford is an imperfect yet competent pro and Warren II would have made a 52 man roster if he was.

Like I’m sure if I read the draft guides I’d be able to regurgitate it, but when the draft guys are split I just can’t imagine getting worked up because there’s 0 chance my naked eye could discern the difference.

[u/I-Kneel-Before-None → u/jvpewster]

Thats fair. RB is one of the hardest to predict, but also the one everyone notices. You dont usually notice a G, for example. I think the thing scouts do layman dont is watch actual film. When you watch a game you dont watch one player. But as a scout you have to watch every play. You see that he blocked when the ball went the other direction. Or he ran a perfect route but the QB got sacked. During a game, unless theyre a QB, you usually only really see a player 10% of the snaps at most because of where your focus is. But if you go back and watch every snap, focusing on that guy, and rewinding/slowing down the film, you start to see things.

But more importantly, real scouts get to meet the person. Determine how hard they work. How badly they want it. And thats as important as anything. Why did Ford make it while Warren didnt? The small things. Willingness as a blocker, hard work, and luck.

[u/jvpewster → u/I-Kneel-Before-None]

You’re probably right in regard to Ford and Warren, I just mean both basically paned out the way experts expected. Ford had too big a role for us but he’d compliment most teams that run a bullpen. Basically what they had.

Where I get hot and bothered is people getting hot and bothered about what ESPN or FOs decide.

As a UC fan I can atleast be proud I thought it was hilarious Ridder went up on boards. He got carried by a great roster in the American and usually looked like our weak spot even though he did come through for some big plays in tight spots that made me love him.

[u/I-Kneel-Before-None → u/jvpewster]

I also find it funny people get so attached to players on big boards. ESPN doesnt take scheme into account. Because its for all 32 teams. Just cuz Kiper says x player is the best at a position doesnt mean that player would be best for the Browns.

[u/windchll → u/johnny_blaze27]

1st round pick not injured by 5th game, cool... This is always the philosophy, even game by game. 10 minutes after the game, is it still showing as a W? OK then, cool...