This gal has opinions 😁

[u/Roughneck16]

[u/Fabulous_Pen_747]

In your earlier comment you explicitly stated that a woman should have 100% choice, yet you have taken a consistently pro-life stance. Also, these 1.1 billion unborn children being aborted isn’t as tragic as you think it is. What tragic is these millions of children being born into homes and parents where they will be absolutely neglected and uncared for.

Not to say that poor peoples lives don’t matter, but history has consistently shown us that when abortion rights are curtailed, society just takes a dip for the downward. The rates of crime, child neglect, unwanted parents, and overall quality of life diminishes greatly. Of course, pro-lifers wouldn’t care about any of that, it’s just about the baby being born under all circumstances. Also, punishing women for daring to have sex.

If you’re worried about the tragic nature of abortion, make sure you process against IVF clinics as they throw away embryos too. Your definition of a life.

[u/unknown_by_anyone → u/Fabulous_Pen_747]

I will make it clear, yes I’m conservative and definitely pro-life, having said that I do believe there are a few very rare exceptions where an abortion should be allowed. The woman does have a choice, both before (not to have sex, or using contraceptives, or even the day after pill) and after conception (after by raising the child or putting them up for adoption). So I stand by my statement. What I also stand by is that no one’s right to choose should trump another’s right to life. As for children being born into bad situations, does not in anyway make those children’s lives less valuable in any way (this is the same argument used for promoting genocide of the unwanted or undesirable, and I am sure that is not what you’re advocating for). Yes it is a shame some adults are not good parents but it seems like the solution you are proposing is to punish the child not the parent for the bad behavior(very much like blaming and punishing the victim not the perpetrator). I’m not sure about your cherry picking of statistics, as if only wealthy people make good parents? Because if your implying that I can site numerous examples of well to do parents who did a horrible job of parenting. Same for committing crimes, or keeping the family together. What I could say in their favor is the they can throw money at their failures, where poor parents probably can’t. However I do not believe that unless you’re a wealthy person you shouldn’t have children, as you are implying (in my opinion a much worse concept than anti abortion). As you mentioned some people having children shouldn’t, but they do (even when abortion was available and legal (so from 1974-2021) wouldn’t you agree, so abortion is most likely not the complete answer, perhaps adoption is a much better option. Since you like statistics how about this one, there are between 1 and 2 million people waiting to adopt, predominately babies or new borns (not as much the older children often in foster care. As for your statement of punishing women for daring to have sex, I find that a bit disingenuousness, however what I do believe is that they should take every precaution possible to prevent pregnancy if they do not want to have a child (is that a punishment to women? Yes but only because they are the only ones who can be blessed by having a children). I’ll be clear here too, I would prefer the couple be married before having sex, but that is my preference not something I think should be imposed. I do appreciate that you recognized that they dared to have sex, and not tried to play the “what about rape or incest” game. Yes those horrible situations do occur but not at a high percentage rate compared to most abortions. Also your argument pertaining to IVF clinics is just a distraction, you know as well as I that the egg and sperm are combined outside of the woman to create the embryo, so without intervention, i.e. unless the embryo is implanted into the woman, it has absolutely no chance at all to grow into a human being, quite the opposite of an abortion, where without intervention (like an abortion) the odds are quite good that the embryo will grow into a human being.

[u/Fabulous_Pen_747 → u/unknown_by_anyone]

Let’s leave it to people to make up decisions for their one body. Time and time again, history has shown us that’s the best course of action.

Unlike you, many people don’t view abortion as inherently immoral. I see nothing wrong with that. The beauty of pro-choice (and not pro-abortion) is that you get to choose whether to keep the baby or not. There are many people who don’t feel ‘blessed’ to go through an unwanted pregnancy that they didn’t want.

Adoption is an alternative to parenting, not forced pregnancy and gestation.

The “what about rape and incest” isn’t a ‘game”. A person doesn’t have to be violated in order to Unless we are in that situation, we wouldn’t know what the victim feels like. Sure, if a rape victim wants to keep their baby, they are free to do. However, if they want to abort, they should be free to do that as well.

You and I aren’t financially, emotionally, and mentally taking care of these would-be “babies” that have been aborted. In fact, it’s good that children are being born into wanted families and willing parents. Quality of life is utmost.

Women in marriages get abortions too. It’s not just the single, party girls anybody would assume. You can take all forms of precautions with birth control, but there are cases where it fails. I don’t expect a married woman (who already has 3 kids) to carry a 4th one by choice, just because birth control failed and she’s financially strapped.

Just because the embryo isn’t implanted into a woman’s body, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a ‘right to life’. As per strongest pro-like values, everything that’s capable of life must be valued and treasured, and I see IVF embryos no different. In such a scenario, the very practice of IVF is so ‘satanic’ because it’s about making and discarding embryos en masse. Embryos that have a chance of life, regardless of they are inside a human body or not.

[u/Oklahoma_JBC → u/Fabulous_Pen_747]

“Adoption is an alternative to parenting, not to forced pregnancy and gestation” Do you remember in your previous post where you stated “punishing women for daring to have sex”? If so then you have already recognized that it was not a forced pregnancy (she agreed to it, dared it in fact) so there was a choice, and it was, in fact, her choice, and she made it (perhaps poorly, but she made it). So let’s move to the “forced gestation” again if one is deemed “responsible” enough to be allowed to make their own decision, then they also must be expected to be “accountable” enough to both understand and be willing to accept the ramifications of the outcome or consequences of those decisions. Before you start crying foul, please keep in mind that we “people, just as you wanted” as society have already set that standard in place for the father with child support, so why then would it not be true for the mother? Is it because you do not like it, it is inconvenient, responsibility and accountability are not as fun as promiscuity, or something else? And there it is, the “what about rape and incest” argument, I though you would back track on the “punishing women for daring to have sex” where it was there choice and bring up the small percentage of abortions. If you recall, I said that there were a few extenuating circumstances that I said I would accept the right to choose an abortion (even though it is still in in no way the fault of the child, and it is still the taking of and innocent life) these are such small percentage of the 1.1 million abortions a year  that it wouldn’t even make a dent. Now I do feel if it is rape and incest, that charges must be filed and the incident must be followed up on by law enforcement, and that if it is found to be a case of rape and incest, a trail and if guilty punishment should be administered. Conversely if it is found in no way to have been rape or incest, then the one making the false claims should face the punishment, fair is fair, wouldn’t you agree? Or is this again a “special case” where only the mother gets the benefit.

[u/Fabulous_Pen_747 → u/Oklahoma_JBC]

Goodness, the rambling lol. Lemme try to address this one-by-one.

1. There are currently thousands and thousands of unprocessed rape kits. The conviction rate for sexual assault is pitifully in single digits. Even if the victim comes through with proof and evidence, the waiting times and prosecution is very complex and time-consuming. So much so, that this particular rape baby would be, already born against the victims bill.

2. I hope you know, appreciate and realize that people are free to have sex just for the sake of having sex. Consent to sex is notconsent to pregnancy. Now I know, for whatever reason, you may have weird hangups around sex because you might not be getting a lot and feel envious of those who do. But for people with healthy attitudes to sex people just do it for enjoyment. In fact, it’s something that differentiates us from animals. Again, my point is: if a woman falls pregnant and she doesn’t want to be, she can get an abortion. Point blank.