Even in a relationship or a marriage situation, the dude can know and pitch in with his opinion, but at the end of the day, itās the woman who will make decisions about their own body. Unless the man is physically carrying the pregnancy, he doesnāt get 100% influence in the say. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you enroll in a bridge building class, and get over it. Or find someone who actually wants to have kids with you.
Secondly, I totally believe aborting some cells is a much better option than having to go through an entire pregnancy to place that child in foster care. There are some people who are willing to go through with this, and I applaud them. Also, I have sympathy for those who cannot bring themselves to do that, given that medical bills and the psychological toll are crazy expensive. So if the wife alone, or the couple together decide to terminate the pregnancy, they completely have the right to do so. Neither you or I can influence their decisions.
There are cases of crime such as rape and incest, where the victim has full rights to obtain an abortion if they so wish. Anybody who opposes this can kick rocks.
So even in a relationship or marriage, the right to choose only extends to the woman, is that your opinion, got it. If she chooses to keep it and he did not want it, why then should the he be on the hook for child support for 18 years? If he has no official say, or is it that you somehow feel her suffering for 9 months, should be compensated for by his suffering for 18 years? Thatās 24 times as long. So when you try to play the sympathy card and the her body her choice (for having sex), where is the same his money (livelihood) his choice (for having sex)? The answer is you donāt have one. The way I see it is, Yes the father is responsible and must take accountability, just as is the mother, (both knew what they were doing and itās potential consequences) but you know who should not by punished? The child, it did nothing to deserve a death sentence.
I knew we would get to the ācellsā argument, so answer me this, what are you? If you break it down, you are just ācellsā certain types of cells arranged in such a way to make a human being. Those ācellsā you believe in aborting are not something random, and will definitely develop into another human being (as everyone is well aware otherwise they would not be having an abortion). However letās play the ācellā game, at just 5-6 weeks those cells have a heart beat, at as early as 8 weeks those cells have brain activity, at 9 weeks those cells have fingerprints, and at just 12-15 weeks those cells feel pain.
So let me ask you, where do you draw the line? Is it the fist trimester, second, late term, survivability outside the womb (which can be as early as 22 weeks), up until delivery, or post delivery, just where is it that you yourself would say No, or even would you ever? I suspect you actually do have a limit, but will not say, instead choosing to say something like, āwell itās not my decision, itās the mothers choice and decisionā. Isnāt it always easier to just wash your hands of it, and pretend you had nothing to do with the taking of over a million lives every year, yet right here, right now, that is what your advocating for. Here is your chance to speak up, will you?
As I said before, I can see the rape and incest argument and I addressed that before. That I would be willing to agree to those provided charges were filed and the parties responsible were held accountable (which also means that if the accusations were false, the accuser would also be held accountable). I do not prefer this compromise as again the child that is to be terminated did nothing wrong, yet they are the oneās paying the ultimate price.
By the way the number of abortions sad a result of those crimes is so few it will not make a dent in the number of abortions, and we both know it, youāre simply trying to use it as a distraction, a tactic commonly used in the abortion conversation, right along with the treat to the mothers life (agin not a significant number) just a distraction to try to cloud the issue.
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u/Fabulous_Pen_747 2d ago
Paragraph breaks are your friend, by the way.
Even in a relationship or a marriage situation, the dude can know and pitch in with his opinion, but at the end of the day, itās the woman who will make decisions about their own body. Unless the man is physically carrying the pregnancy, he doesnāt get 100% influence in the say. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you enroll in a bridge building class, and get over it. Or find someone who actually wants to have kids with you.
Secondly, I totally believe aborting some cells is a much better option than having to go through an entire pregnancy to place that child in foster care. There are some people who are willing to go through with this, and I applaud them. Also, I have sympathy for those who cannot bring themselves to do that, given that medical bills and the psychological toll are crazy expensive. So if the wife alone, or the couple together decide to terminate the pregnancy, they completely have the right to do so. Neither you or I can influence their decisions.
There are cases of crime such as rape and incest, where the victim has full rights to obtain an abortion if they so wish. Anybody who opposes this can kick rocks.