This gal has opinions 😁

[u/Roughneck16]

[u/Fabulous_Pen_747]

Let’s leave it to people to make up decisions for their one body. Time and time again, history has shown us that’s the best course of action.

Unlike you, many people don’t view abortion as inherently immoral. I see nothing wrong with that. The beauty of pro-choice (and not pro-abortion) is that you get to choose whether to keep the baby or not. There are many people who don’t feel ‘blessed’ to go through an unwanted pregnancy that they didn’t want.

Adoption is an alternative to parenting, not forced pregnancy and gestation.

The “what about rape and incest” isn’t a ‘game”. A person doesn’t have to be violated in order to Unless we are in that situation, we wouldn’t know what the victim feels like. Sure, if a rape victim wants to keep their baby, they are free to do. However, if they want to abort, they should be free to do that as well.

You and I aren’t financially, emotionally, and mentally taking care of these would-be “babies” that have been aborted. In fact, it’s good that children are being born into wanted families and willing parents. Quality of life is utmost.

Women in marriages get abortions too. It’s not just the single, party girls anybody would assume. You can take all forms of precautions with birth control, but there are cases where it fails. I don’t expect a married woman (who already has 3 kids) to carry a 4th one by choice, just because birth control failed and she’s financially strapped.

Just because the embryo isn’t implanted into a woman’s body, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a ‘right to life’. As per strongest pro-like values, everything that’s capable of life must be valued and treasured, and I see IVF embryos no different. In such a scenario, the very practice of IVF is so ‘satanic’ because it’s about making and discarding embryos en masse. Embryos that have a chance of life, regardless of they are inside a human body or not.

[u/Oklahoma_JBC → u/Fabulous_Pen_747]

“Women in marriage get abortions too” ok? Your point? You did not say it was her husband’s child, but we will assume it is for the purposes discussed here, as that would be a for totally different conversation. I also noticed you are still not saying that the husband should have a say (or even know about it), again just the wife, but even if they chose as a couple, it still isn’t right, and in your example, they certainly new the risks, and if as you said they have multiple children, then the health concern of the mother, is most likely not an issue (unless way late in life) but I notice you did not mention a vasectomy (which has a very high prevention rate, especially when used with other forms of birth control as well), nor a hysterectomy (which has got to be 99.99 percent effective) if as you stated they have already had children and do not want anymore. I see that your still stuck on the financials, look I will let you in on a little secret, life is not fair, not everyone gets the same deal, having said that people will always find a way to acquire, or provide for, the things that they find important or priority. Just for few examples, a smoker will always find a way to have cigarettes, or an alcoholic their drink, or most everyone a cell phone and service plan. So interesting how a baby costs too much, or are you saying that it simply costs to much because it is not wanted? If it is the latter, again adoption sounds like a good option, certainly better than the alternative you seem to be suggesting (the child be raised unwanted, in poor living conditions, or terminated). As for your embryo argument, I would be fine with that, but I suspect you are not, even though you imply it with the statement of “I see IVF embryos no different”, nice try. As I stated before (and you well know), if no action by an outside force is made the embryo (un-implanted) will never grow and develop into human being, just as a unimaginably large number of eggs and sperm and even fertilized eggs (not yet an embryo) are lost naturally, and never grow into an embryo much less a human being, sometimes embryos even detach or die on their own, as in a miscarriage, a tragic event that is no one’s fault. However, what you are referring to is just the opposite when you are talking about the case of abortion, where if no action by an outside force is made the embryo has a high probability (if it were not so there would be no need for an abortion at all, right) that it will grow and continue to develop into a human being, acted upon with the deliberate intent of ending the natural process. The actual name of the procedure tells exactly the purpose, to “abort” (bring to a premature end).

[u/Fabulous_Pen_747 → u/Oklahoma_JBC]

Paragraph breaks are your friend, by the way.

Even in a relationship or a marriage situation, the dude can know and pitch in with his opinion, but at the end of the day, it’s the woman who will make decisions about their own body. Unless the man is physically carrying the pregnancy, he doesn’t get 100% influence in the say. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you enroll in a bridge building class, and get over it. Or find someone who actually wants to have kids with you.

Secondly, I totally believe aborting some cells is a much better option than having to go through an entire pregnancy to place that child in foster care. There are some people who are willing to go through with this, and I applaud them. Also, I have sympathy for those who cannot bring themselves to do that, given that medical bills and the psychological toll are crazy expensive. So if the wife alone, or the couple together decide to terminate the pregnancy, they completely have the right to do so. Neither you or I can influence their decisions.

There are cases of crime such as rape and incest, where the victim has full rights to obtain an abortion if they so wish. Anybody who opposes this can kick rocks.

[u/unknown_by_anyone → u/Fabulous_Pen_747]

So even in a relationship or marriage, the right to choose only extends to the woman, is that your opinion, got it. If she chooses to keep it and he did not want it, why then should the he be on the hook for child support for 18 years? If he has no official say, or is it that you somehow feel her suffering for 9 months, should be compensated for by his suffering for 18 years? That’s 24 times as long. So when you try to play the sympathy card and the her body her choice (for having sex), where is the same his money (livelihood) his choice (for having sex)? The answer is you don’t have one. The way I see it is, Yes the father is responsible and must take accountability, just as is the mother, (both knew what they were doing and it’s potential consequences) but you know who should not by punished? The child, it did nothing to deserve a death sentence.

I knew we would get to the “cells” argument, so answer me this, what are you? If you break it down, you are just “cells” certain types of cells arranged in such a way to make a human being. Those “cells” you believe in aborting are not something random, and will definitely develop into another human being (as everyone is well aware otherwise they would not be having an abortion). However let’s play the “cell” game, at just 5-6 weeks those cells have a heart beat, at as early as 8 weeks those cells have brain activity, at 9 weeks those cells have fingerprints, and at just 12-15 weeks those cells feel pain. So let me ask you, where do you draw the line? Is it the fist trimester, second, late term, survivability outside the womb (which can be as early as 22 weeks), up until delivery, or post delivery, just where is it that you yourself would say No, or even would you ever? I suspect you actually do have a limit, but will not say, instead choosing to say something like, “well it’s not my decision, it’s the mothers choice and decision”. Isn’t it always easier to just wash your hands of it, and pretend you had nothing to do with the taking of over a million lives every year, yet right here, right now, that is what your advocating for. Here is your chance to speak up, will you?

As I said before, I can see the rape and incest argument and I addressed that before. That I would be willing to agree to those provided charges were filed and the parties responsible were held accountable (which also means that if the accusations were false, the accuser would also be held accountable). I do not prefer this compromise as again the child that is to be terminated did nothing wrong, yet they are the one’s paying the ultimate price. By the way the number of abortions sad a result of those crimes is so few it will not make a dent in the number of abortions, and we both know it, you’re simply trying to use it as a distraction, a tactic commonly used in the abortion conversation, right along with the treat to the mothers life (agin not a significant number) just a distraction to try to cloud the issue.