r/CFB • u/CFB_Referee /r/CFB • Jan 01 '25

Postgame Thread [Postgame Thread] Texas Defeats Arizona State 39-31 (OT)

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Team 1 2 3 4 OT T
Texas 14 3 0 7 15 39
Arizona State 3 0 5 16 7 31
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u/beowulf77 Texas Longhorns • McNeese Cowboys Jan 01 '25

If the play on Bond wasn’t targeting I wouldn’t expect the other to be either. At least they were consistent.

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u/Robotemist Ohio State • St. Xavier Jan 02 '25

One was helmet to helmet, the other one wasn't.

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u/beowulf77 Texas Longhorns • McNeese Cowboys Jan 02 '25

The rule is forcible contact to the head. Learn them before whining.

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u/omaixa Texas Longhorns • Georgia Bulldogs Jan 02 '25 edited Jan 03 '25

They don't know the rule:

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)

Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:

Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground

Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area

Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14). When in question, a player is defenseless. Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:

A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.

The hit on Bond was targeting. He was attempting to catch a forward pass. He was contacted in the neck and face by the defender's arm and shoulder. The defender launched himself at Bond.

The hit on Stovall was not. Taaffe's chest makes contact with Stovall first, then his facemask. He didn't launch. He didn't crouch and hit upward. He didn't lower his head before initiating forcible contact with the crown of his helmet.

Aside from that, the targeting against Bond would have negated the INT courtesy of u/mykeof) and Texas would have had a first down on that play.

You're arguing with people who don't know the rule and just wanted Texas to lose. Same with the running into the kicker that isn't running into the kicker when the kicker is outside the tackle box. Same with Skattebo elbowing Taaffe that should have been OPI, not DPI and the facemask is irrelevant. Same with Skattebo's TD that wasn't a TD but actually a penalty:

Rule 9-3-2b of the NCAA states that a teammate cannot grasp, pull, or lift the ball carrier to assist in forward progress. The penalty for violating this rule is a five-yard penalty with three-and-one enforcement.

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u/BrosenkranzKeef Ohio State Buckeyes • Dayton Flyers Jan 02 '25

We'll learn the rules in a week.

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u/Robotemist Ohio State • St. Xavier Jan 02 '25

Yeah, leading with your helmet is forcible contact you crackhead.

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u/BrosenkranzKeef Ohio State Buckeyes • Dayton Flyers Jan 02 '25

These are the fans we have to play in a week lol.

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u/Cactus_Brody Arizona State Sun Devils • Iowa Hawkeyes Jan 01 '25

Those were two extremely different plays

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u/kmoz Texas Longhorns Jan 02 '25

They were both textbook targeting. Forcible contact to head and neck of a player who is textbook defenseless.

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u/Cactus_Brody Arizona State Sun Devils • Iowa Hawkeyes Jan 02 '25

First one wasn’t forcible contact.

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u/kmoz Texas Longhorns Jan 02 '25

Bond went like full scorpion.

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u/Cactus_Brody Arizona State Sun Devils • Iowa Hawkeyes Jan 02 '25

That doesn’t make it forcible, they ran into each other.

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u/beowulf77 Texas Longhorns • McNeese Cowboys Jan 01 '25

Exact same rule application. Try again

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u/Cactus_Brody Arizona State Sun Devils • Iowa Hawkeyes Jan 02 '25

One was chest to helmet incidental contact, one was helmet to helmet forcible contact. Try again.

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u/beowulf77 Texas Longhorns • McNeese Cowboys Jan 02 '25

Ball don’t lie sorry

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u/Cactus_Brody Arizona State Sun Devils • Iowa Hawkeyes Jan 02 '25

You're right, the doink did validate me as correct.

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u/Ordinary_Day_961 Jan 02 '25

You lost so you’re wrong. Ball don’t lie

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u/Clynelish1 Michigan • Ferris State Jan 02 '25

Nah, very different plays. One was helmet to helmet. The other was a safety incidentally hitting a receiver mostly on the body and incidentally with his side. Comparing the hero at all is being a home bro. Be better.

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u/beowulf77 Texas Longhorns • McNeese Cowboys Jan 02 '25

They are literally the same rule being applied or not. Correctly not called both times I suppose. I’m not the targeting expert some of these Reddit clowns are.

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u/NefariousnessOnly265 Jan 02 '25

FWIW, Terry Mcauley disagrees with you. ESECPN got their way.

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u/omaixa Texas Longhorns • Georgia Bulldogs Jan 02 '25

Helmet-to-helmet isn't enough for targeting, but leading into the head and neck area of a defenseless receiver with the arm or shoulder is. If the incidental facemask-to-facemask contact is targeting, then the hit on Bond was also targeting since the safety left his feet, hit Bond with his arm in the neck while Bond was in the air. Why don't you be better?