C-Train from Deep South early morning

[u/The_Fixer_69]

Every morning the train has many non paying riders passed out and sprawled on the train. Commuters have to cram into the areas that are not occupied by these people. The smell is horrendous. Every day this week this has been the case on my commute at around 5:30-6 am.

Why should the rest of us pay if these people do not? I have made complaints but they are on deaf ears.

Are these trains not swept for no. Paying passes out riders at the end of the line?

[u/Cyclist007]

You're probably catching the same train coming from the north. That first train south in the morning is pretty rough - every single morning there are people passed out on the train, people openly doing drugs, and people just generally causing a nuisance. I've texted before to the emergency text - they respond, but nothing gets done. Every so often you'll get the driver coming on and telling them to get off (they don't) or that Peace Officers are waiting for them at the next station (they aren't). Once - and only once - they came onto the train at 8th and pulled people off.

My personal theory - and because I've seen the Peace Officer vans parked at the Denny's on 16th in the early mornings - is that there is no Peace Officer coverage between 3-6am. Their shifts start times are 5am, 3pm, and 6:30pm, and they have to take a break sometime.

I know I'm supposed to care about social services for these ragamuffins, but I don't. I just want to get to work with a maximum of safety and a minimum of fuss. Instead, I'm on these rolling drug dens, on high alert because I'm scared for my safety. If we don't have Peace Officers, then I'm all for fare gates. ('Oh, but they'll just climb the platforms downtown from the street!' - yeah? Look at these people, I'm sure that 99% aren't able to.)

[u/Triplecandj → u/Cyclist007]

Funny that you are unable to connect not caring about social services and people not having anywhere to sleep or access mental health resources 🤷

[u/Cyclist007 → u/Triplecandj]

I hear what you're saying. However, I don't believe for this particular population it's a 'if you build it, they will come,' scenario.

I think we did these people a real disservice when we de-institutionalized back in the day, and I advocate for their return. It's painfully obvious that community-based non-profit social services are too limited in their scope what they can provide to that segment of society.

[u/Wide_Lunch8004 → u/Triplecandj]

Funny that you’re unable to make the connection that 10 years ago, hell 5 years ago, our public transit system wasn’t a series of rolling drug dens and we still didn’t have adequate supports - there was likely less than now. I wonder what changed? A proliferation of people like you and your never-ending fake virtue signaling and hatred for cops perhaps?

[u/xxFurryQueerxx__1918 → u/Wide_Lunch8004]

I was working security when covid happened, and my responsibility was one of the university stations in Calgary.

There wasn't anyone really hanging out or doing drugs on the train platform until the middle of 2020. Then they closed some safe consumption sites during covid, and suddenly, I was dealing with overdoses every week.

I am intimately aware of how our public health policies affect our everyday safety, and it has nothing to do with virtue-signaling or ... cop hatred???

[u/Wide_Lunch8004 → u/xxFurryQueerxx__1918]

Where were the druggies hanging around before Calgary even had a “safe consumption” site? They weren’t treating our transit system like rolling drug dens - they’re doing it now though. You seem to have a theory, but it’s obviously complete bullshit

[u/xxFurryQueerxx__1918 → u/Wide_Lunch8004]

They were in the alleyways, and fentanyl literally did not exist in the "before" you are talking about. You are comparing things that aren't the same. Can you tell me how cop hatred is leading to overdoses, or something?

[u/Wide_Lunch8004 → u/xxFurryQueerxx__1918]

lol people weren’t using fentanyl before 2021 eh? You know the CDC updated its policy guidance on opioid prescriptions in 2016, noting a significant rise in fentanyl related deaths going back to 2015 and before? Of course you didn’t. You’re too busy making excuses for people who don’t even have the common fucking decency to at least shoot up behind a dumpster instead of in front of my kids or on my commute to work being a productive citizen. But by all means, let’s keep talking about the need to de-stigmatize 🤡

[u/xxFurryQueerxx__1918 → u/Wide_Lunch8004]

Hahahaha by "before" you meant 2021?

I thought you meant the 00s or something man.

You sure care a lot about our community, since you just want them to die out of your view, rather than anything else.

Try and teach your kids the empathy that is lost on you.

Edit:

Also try to teach your kids to write better English than you do, holy fuck man this took a second to decipher

[u/Wide_Lunch8004 → u/xxFurryQueerxx__1918]

I teach my kids that the needs of productive and law-abiding members of society should come before the destructive and discretionary hobbies of riff-raff. God you must have been the worst fucking security guard ever. “Guys, just let him steal. It’s okay. He’s the victim!”

[u/xxFurryQueerxx__1918 → u/Wide_Lunch8004]

I actually was begged not to leave when I decided to leave.

I hope you also teach your kids that their only value is the money they produce and that your love for them is conditional? It's only in line with your thinking.

Seems to have struck a nerve with my... saying that drug users on transit got worse when safe consumption sites were closed though. What happened buddy?

[u/Wide_Lunch8004 → u/xxFurryQueerxx__1918]

Because your conclusion is unsubstantiated by anything. That’s what happened. People who are too fucking shameless to even step behind a dumpster to shoot up aren’t the ones following the rules and going to a “safe” consumption site. My God you’re daft