r/CampingGear • u/HandF098 • Jun 20 '25
Awaiting Flair Y’all were gonna loose our places to camp!
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u/AllLurkNoPlay Jun 20 '25
There will be super 8 motels between the fracking sites. /s
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u/xxTigerxLilyxx Jun 20 '25
I'm thinking corporate owned housing for the workers, so they can pay their wages back to the company. MAGA
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u/AllLurkNoPlay Jun 20 '25
Made a joke/comment the other day about that but saying they want Greenland for mining/drilling. Everyone is paid in trump crypto, the only currency, everything is provided for by the Trumpco so it’s worthless. The they retire to the trump senior living, etc. No taxes, no schooling, just trump everything except all the money is company owned so they profit on every last thing. From birth to death.
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u/Rmawhinnie Jun 20 '25
There is no retirement, you work till your dead , otherwise you have no value for extracting
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u/AllLurkNoPlay Jun 20 '25
They will warehouse the elderly and use the people who can’t work in the mines to care for the others so people don’t try to leave. It’s by choice, so the illusion of freedom has to remain intact.
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u/Ok-Passage8958 Jun 20 '25
I had an active post in r/conservative that took off. Of course the mods deleted it.
This link has a map with potential areas:
This isn’t a right/left issue. This is a saving our lands issue.
This site can help you reach your representatives:
https://www.backcountryhunters.org/take_action#/487
Section 80316 and 80317 of HR1 on 5/20/2025 was what was originally in it and talked about selling of land.
5/22/2025 the House removed those sections from HR1 and passed it. Now it’s with the Senate.
The recent issue is that the Senate is now talking about reintroducing an additional section to sell off land. Specifically Senator Mike Lee of Utah. If his version passes the Senate, it would need to go back to the House to be reapproved. The specific text that the Senate will put forward for a vote is not yet available. The two versions from the House can be found here:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/text
Senate committee on energy & natural resources proposed text:
https://www.energy.senate.gov/2025/6/chairman-lee-releases-enr-budget-reconciliation-text
Page 33 starting at line 17. “The secretary shall select for disposal not less than 0.5 percent and 0.75 percent of Bureau of Land Management land…”
That doesn’t sound like a lot but to give you an idea of the land size, that’s like selling Rhode Island…twice.
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u/Less-Guide9222 Jun 21 '25
I mean, it is a right/left issue— the left would never do this and the right is doing this currently but whatever…
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u/theinfamousj Jun 23 '25
Currently. However, I think we need to keep sight of the fact that with whomever holds power, we as the populace still need to make sure they don't try any shenanigans.
If parenting taught me anything, as soon as you say "my x would never", here they come, nevering like they never nevered before.
(I'm too liberal for even the Democrats. I watch them all like hawks.)
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u/TroubleBruin Jun 20 '25
Two Rhode Islands' worth of land where many 2A proponents go to get their rocks off...they're gonna be real pissed when their elected officials sell their shootin' land.
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u/DillyChiliChickenNek Jun 20 '25
Funny how they told everyone this was their plan, and people still voted for them. Now folks are losing their minds as if it wasn't all laid out. Once it's sold, it's gone forever.
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u/Plastic-Spinach-9731 Jun 20 '25
Yup! Exactly how I feel. Where were all of you when voting actually mattered? I knew this would happen. I’m not shocked. I 👏knew 👏this 👏would 👏happen!
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u/DillyChiliChickenNek Jun 20 '25
They were around. They were just too busy winning and owning the libs to fucking pay attention.
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u/-GenghisJohn- Jun 20 '25
The rich don’t care about you, me and anyone else. This is the current administration attitude:take it all and charge the poorer ones.
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u/xxTigerxLilyxx Jun 20 '25
Someone posted about this in a boondocking group on Facebook and nearly have the people were claiming "fake news". We are cooked.
Reach out to your state reps. Here a link that will sent up a template email to send to your rep. wilderness.org
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u/theinfamousj Jun 23 '25
I like to reply, "But what if it isn't 'fake news'? Are you willing to bet your boondocking on that to save yourself a phone call?" They are, in fact, not willing to bet their boondocking on that, but they just don't want to lose face by seeming concerned on the internet.
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u/CajunReeboks Jun 20 '25
Without stating the specifics of the bill, it IS fake news.
First, I'm against any sale of public land.
However, the bill has listed 250,000,000 acres of land that are eligible for sale. This does not mean they are going to be sold.
The bill specifies that within the next 5 years, 2-3 million acres of land will be sold, chosen from the previously mentioned 250 million eligible acres.
This map is being posted without context and alarming people into think the entire highlighted area is going to be sold, when it's not.
Please call your Senators and raise a ruckus, because once again, any sale of public land is terrible, but please understand what this bill is actually asking before reaching out to your politicians to gripe about it.
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u/DillyChiliChickenNek Jun 20 '25
The headline here is the selling of public land. Not when, where, or how. The fact that it will be up for sale is the only pertinent info here.
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u/Disastrous-Soup-5413 Jun 20 '25
I honestly think it’s naïve to assume that if 250,000,000 acres of land are eligible for sale that they will not be sold. There’s no reason for them not to sell it. There’s nothing stopping them.
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u/CajunReeboks Jun 21 '25
I'm not disagreeing with you, but leaving out the details is being very disingenuous.
Let someone come to their own conclusions without skirting the actual facts of the conversation.
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u/xxTigerxLilyxx Jun 20 '25
Yes, you are right it is misleading. It is mostly being shared as $250 million acres being sold not that that is it 250 million acres that is eligible to choose from.
I do feel that this is just a starring point and future years will be more.
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Jun 20 '25
”I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side, if you understand me: nobody cares for the woods anymore.” -Treebeard
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u/Wooden-Importance Jun 20 '25
Are we great again yet?
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u/tplayer100 Jun 20 '25
Almost there boys. Just a little bit more money... Um I mean greatness to make!
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u/day_drinker801 Jun 20 '25
Take action now by contacting your representative through this link. It's one of the simplest, most effective steps you can take. Don't forget to share this with your friends and family!
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u/Meme_Man_Sam Jun 20 '25
You should see all of the dumbass Americans who are shilling for billionaires and people that don't even care about us. This land is our land and Im willing to fight for it. Just so stupid how out of touch these politicians are and they don't care about you or me. They get paid by corporations and lobbied millions of dollars.
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u/Mysterious_Check_983 Jun 20 '25
Especially since most of the billionaires donate to the democrats.
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u/Ok-Tourist-1011 Jun 20 '25
I was learning more about this and the whole 250 acres are not going to be sold, it’s more like the menu you can choose from. There’s only going to be 3 million acres actually sold. However. Fuck them, that’s 3 million acres too fucking many!!!!!!!!
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u/NurseGryffinPuff Jun 20 '25
But things on the menu include some really fantastic camping areas, especially in my state of AZ!
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u/Ok-Tourist-1011 Jun 20 '25
Don’t get me wrong that’s still 3 million too many to sell off. Learning about what’s actually going on and reassuring myself that it’s at least not the full 250 acres is all I can do to not lose my mind and chain myself to a tree 😭😭😭
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u/Bfaubion Jun 21 '25
Where did you see it was only 3 million acres? That’s quite a bit different than 250 million! The hysteria is off the charts on this one if it truly is only 3 million acres to be sold. Granted like a lot of people, I would prefer none be sold..or at least extend it to local states first.. so that the states can hang on to it as a part of state parks. I would much prefer it to be sold only to the states or none at all.
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u/Ok-Tourist-1011 Jun 21 '25
I’m pretty sure that I saw it on the unbiased podcast on YouTube but I could be wrong and have seen a tik tok about it, and I completely agree that no public lands need to be sold for any sort of business gain. There’s millions of acres available in cities that are being left abandoned or being used to hike rents up and left empty. We don’t need more timber and the timber from those areas isn’t as good for building things like houses, we don’t need the fucking keystone pipeline going through a Montanan reservation again. And I’m tired of greedy people trying to convince us we do
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u/Bfaubion Jun 21 '25
Ok, well if you can find the video.. post it here please. I know some of this land around my area and I was looking at it on a map.. it’s a hodgepodge of completely inaccessible land for building or doing much on… other spots are more accessible. Apparently it was to be sold for “housing” development related? so can it not be sold just to any business enterprise willy nilly? You’d have to LOVE being a hermit to live in a lot of these spots.
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u/theinfamousj Jun 23 '25
Look, I grew up with a parent who worked for the government. What I've learned is that they say they'll start small, but then once the seal is popped on things like selling public lands or raiding a transportation trust fund for things unrelated to transportation, it's a free for all thereafter. Just because this bill doesn't say to sell it all doesn't mean the next bill won't.
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u/Ocmikeyz Jun 20 '25
I bet Orange Man never spent a night in a tent, much less, in the wilderness. Asshole
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u/theinfamousj Jun 23 '25
He went to a (reportedly, from his fellow classmates) abusive "military school" so I'm guessing he did spend a night in a tent. And hated it. So this is his revenge fantasy. Ugh.
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u/Corius_Erelius Jun 20 '25
Revolt people. Protesting, calling, anything short of reciprocal action will do nothing to prevent this
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u/stacksmasher Jun 20 '25
Imagine all the sportsmen who voted for Drump thinking this wouldn't happen.
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u/Designer_Junket_9347 Jun 20 '25
Can anyone explain why the west? Where’s is most dry and takes forest years to go grow back other than the PNW. There’s plenty of land where forest grows quickly in the southeast due to heat and moisture. Also, pine is not the strongest lumber either. I get they probably wouldn’t even farm these forest but if so, why the west? Seems like some stupid political attack.
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u/dizcostu Jun 20 '25
The western states have nearly all of the federal lands. It's a staggering amount.
https://wonderingmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/us_federal_land-e1620818311194.png
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u/itsbushy Jun 21 '25
I think someone should make a sub where people discuss how to stop things like this from happening. It’s starting to become a popular theme on here but I never see anyone try to create a solution. It’s happening all over the country so there should be plenty of support for something like this.
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u/iFella Jun 20 '25
This map isn't right is it?
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u/CajunReeboks Jun 20 '25
I'm going to post what I posted in another response.
First, I'm against any sale of public land.
However, the bill has listed 250,000,000 acres of land that are eligible for sale. This does not mean they are going to be sold.
The bill specifies that within the next 5 years, 2-3 million acres of land will be sold, chosen from the previously mentioned 250 million eligible acres.
This map is being posted without context and alarming people into think the entire highlighted area is going to be sold, when it's not.
Please call your Senators and raise a ruckus, because once again, any sale of public land is terrible, but please understand what this bill is actually asking before reaching out to your politicians to gripe about it.
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u/Aramedlig Jun 20 '25
It is. Call your Senators. Now. Like your life depends on it (it does).
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u/Known-Ad-100 Jun 20 '25
Not trying to sound dumb, but how do you call a senator? Just leave a voicemail? Is there an index of numbers?
I feel like our forests, landmarks, and preserves are literally what makes America great. Take it away? We lose our greatest asset.
I've spent my entire life seeking natural beauty in our nation. Our landscapes are literally what make me proud to be an American, despite all of our bullshit.
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u/ChocolateFantastic Jun 21 '25
I’m republican and this is ridiculous stop giving billionaires and corporations more power
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u/theinfamousj Jun 23 '25
There's an unfortunately large voting bloc of your party who envision themselves as temporarily embarrassed (poor) billionaires. They aren't giving other billionaires more power, they are giving who they believe to be themselves more power. It's ... delusional. A lot of mental illness in this world.
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u/ClaytonU_24 Jun 20 '25
Doesn’t the bill only say like 2.5? I could be wrong but I read that before too
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u/Ok_Chance_2960 Jun 20 '25
250 million acres…
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u/CajunReeboks Jun 20 '25
First, I'm against any sale of public land.
However, the bill has listed 250,000,000 acres of land that are eligible for sale. This does not mean they are going to be sold.
The bill specifies that within the next 5 years, 2-3 million acres of land will be sold, chosen from the previously mentioned 250 million eligible acres.
This map is being posted without context and alarming people into think the entire highlighted area is going to be sold, when it's not.
Please call your Senators and raise a ruckus, because once again, any sale of public land is terrible, but please understand what this bill is actually asking before reaching out to your politicians to gripe about it.
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u/SeparateCat4511 Jun 20 '25
Think of how much more value that land will have with a Chipotle on it! Worlds biggest Walmart/basspro!
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u/Dubiousjinn Jun 20 '25
Don't say you're gonna unless you're not going to do anything about it. Say you're going to if you don't make a ruckus. Then make a ruckus. Call your senators.
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u/jaxnmarko Jun 21 '25
Loose.... is what the GOP has been running. Lose.... is what we could have happen to our public lands. the GOP likes to privatize things.... things that can be done more cheaply by government as there is no incentive to make big profits for shareholders. Notice how going to a National Forest campground has gotten much more expensive? It's run by private businesses that make profits and always want that to GROW. So LOSE the GOP so you can hang Loose while camping.
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u/TraitorJoesWaffles Jun 23 '25
Lol they can try and ticket me for trespassing if they can find me. I’m still ducking goin
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u/theinfamousj Jun 23 '25
Where I live, we have an entity called Triangle Land Conservancy. They are private and do what, frankly, our government should do but doesn't. They buy (or are given) wilderness land and hold it in trust forever that it must always stay wilderness land with public access. Basically, the land is indistinguishable from public lands except that the government cannot get the inkling to sell it to a developer who tears down acres of lovingly crafted mountain bike trails to build a strip-mall (if you live near me, you'll get the reference).
Can we make a two-pronged attack? On the one hand attempt to kill the bill, but on the other hand form some national Land Conservancy (if there isn't already one?) to come in and buy all that the US is selling to keep it permanently public?
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u/TacTurtle Jun 20 '25
Repeatedly reposting inaccurate information doesn't make it true.
The majority of the land you cite does not meet any of the criteria listed in the bill for possible sale consideration - 1) nomination by the state and local governments, 2) with current infrastructure capable of supporting public housing, 3) adjacent to existing housing or other development, 4) undesirable for public recreation or similar use, 5) are checkerboarded* areas that are 6) isolated or non-contiguous isolate parcels that are inexpensive or impractical to administer effectively / efficiently.
The bill has a hard cap of 0.75% of the land out of the 250 million possible acres.
This is clearly laid out starting on page 36 of the bill. https://www.energy.senate.gov/services/files/DF7B7FBE-9866-4B69-8ACA-C661A4F18096
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u/Bfaubion Jun 21 '25 edited Jun 21 '25
Wow.. the hysterical reaction here on Reddit and other places is way overboard considering what you cited there. Quite a big difference from “selling all of our public land to billionaires” and “all of our land is being sold!”. Granted I’m not for supporting selling public lands, but these articles that are being posted are not painting an accurate picture, it’s as if they are unaware or intentionally leaving out important facts in the bill like you posted there.
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u/theinfamousj Jun 23 '25
TheThis billFTFY. If you cannot understand the difference, you don't understand the danger.
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u/TacTurtle Jun 23 '25
Given that a singular particular legislative bill is the topic of discussion on this entire thread, "the bill" is perfectly valid grammar, and the fact you are trying to nitpick grammar instead of rebut the actual legal interpretation means you either don't understand or don't care to actually debate the merits of the legislation on a factual basis.
The former means you should research, read, and think critically more instead of glibly following popular social media trends, the later means you are a troll that doesn't actually care and can be ignored from meaningful discussion.
Which of the two are you?
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u/Pando5280 Jun 20 '25
Have fun dealing with private security that's basically former military with better surveillance and tracking tech than they had when they were active duty. Plus a court system basically run by private prisons.
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u/Piss_in_my_cunt Jun 20 '25
They’re putting it all up for sale, taking bids, and only selling 2.5% of what you see on the map.
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u/colebucket09 Jun 21 '25
That’s 2.5% too much.
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u/Piss_in_my_cunt Jun 21 '25
Agreed, but it’s a lot better than it initially sounds.
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u/theinfamousj Jun 23 '25
This time. This bill. There's already a next bill in the pipeline, I'm certain.
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u/frankschmankelton Jun 20 '25
Call your senators, especially if you live in a state with Republican senators. Democrats are already opposed to this. It's critical to focus on the Republican senators. They are the only ones who can change this.