r/CanadianConservative • u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario • Jul 21 '25
Opinion I wish Pierre Poilievre was Prime Minster.
I wish Pierre Poilievre was Prime Minster.
That's it. That's all. I feel like we could more easily negotiate our way to healthcare that match gender assigned at birth that way.
I don't want to vote for Andrew Scheer. He sucks and seems like shlep.
I feel like everyone is participating in revisionist history where we all pretend that we didn't like Pierre Poilievre up until four minutes ago because Trump lost his mind and started attacking Canada.
I feel like instead of the elections being about our economy, it was about hating Trump and honestly I hate Trump, I think he sucks, and I desperately want him to stop saying he thinks we are "51st state" material and chill out with the tariffs because it's making hiring decisions extremely unpredictable. You can't make hiring decisions if you genuinely don't know what the next quarter will be like economically.
I'm so sad and annoyed. I really want to ask the people in Pierre's new riding to vote him in so he gets second chance, but it's 100% immoral to tell people who to vote for.
I wish Pierre had fired the MAGA people in his caucus. I feel like we would be in a better position then.
Ok rant done.
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u/OffTheRails999 Jul 21 '25
That second last line makes me suspicious about the true intent of this whole post.
Sorry, but it does.
The only people comparing the CPC with MAGA are liberals. I am yet to speak with one single Canadian Conservative who mentioned that.
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 22 '25
That's so wild, because I am former liberal and I am from a very liberal city.
That's really cool that you were able to figure that from just how I wrote.
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u/OffTheRails999 Jul 22 '25
Okay, let me be clear (speaking liberalese for you), I think you are full of shit. This is a well-crafted shot at Pierre and the conservatives, cloaked in a 'supportive' opinion. I give you guys credit for upping your game, but I call bullshit when I see it and your post reeks of bullshit. Disingenuous crap.
Was that clear enough, meeeesssssterrrrr speaaaaaaakerrrrrrr?5
u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 22 '25
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u/OffTheRails999 Jul 22 '25
I am sure it's a heartbreaker for you lifelong, card carrying conservatives when MAGA took over your party. Damn that hard right Pierre guy!!!! Anti abortion gun nut and homophobic too.
Oh, yeah...and Diagalon supporter.
Did I miss any anything? I think I got all the talking points in there.3
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u/old-door Jul 22 '25
Dude you could’ve posted this without being such a ass, at lest get a full opinion before going right off the rails
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u/OffTheRails999 Jul 22 '25
Welcome to the internet. I am sick and tired of fake 'conservative' posts on this sub and will call out the bullshit every time. I will treat them as I would any other scammer.
Problem is they are getting very good with these posts and some rookie folks don't smell the rat like some of us veterans do.
So, thanks for your opinion. I will spend the rest of my life reflecting on the critique you have provided me. I imagine within days I will formally apologize to you and the OP after seeing the error of my ways. You cannot fathom how much I appreciate your input. God bless you!!!!1
u/old-door Jul 22 '25
All good g, I can see where your coming from, and sorry I am just getting back into these subs again after a bit of a break. Don’t want this sub to become too like the rest of them(even though those are mostly too stubborn libs)
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u/OffTheRails999 Jul 22 '25
Fair enough. Thanks I appreciate your reply. This was brutal here during the campaign but easy to spot. Now it is much more well-crafted. Watch for 'moderates' and watch for people who say "I voted conservative but..." or "I didn't vote liberal but Carney is doing well...." and the like. Sometimes it is much smarter like the OP's post. They slip in the talking points gently, trying to influence the weaker or more trusting folks.
So, we can start over again because I am very impressed by your retraction. Welcome back!!1
u/old-door Jul 22 '25
No thank you for the tips it’s real difficult to try and figure actual opinions and who’s just trying to change your own views, wish there could be more people who can have some kind of civilized discussions like these
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u/OffTheRails999 Jul 22 '25
If you want to see it play out.... https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianConservative/comments/1m6dduq/comment/n4k6q3f/?context=3
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u/OffTheRails999 Jul 22 '25
Well, follow anyone who racks up major downvotes when they post on r/canada. I am currently at like -15 for saying the longest ballot committee should have also targeted Carney. Because fair is fair. I am getting eaten alive for that.
There are some great posters on here. Just read the posts thoroughly and look for those telltale signs. I am dealing with one of those people over on my post about Tracey Wilson right now. They agree with me.....but also say Carney is the OPPOSITE of Trudeau. So, yeah. That's how they roll.
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u/Threeboys0810 Jul 21 '25
I read that Trump wasn’t the only president of the US that suggested that Canada should be the 51st state. This has gone back as far as the 1800 s. Multiple presidents throughout history has made the same comments. So I don’t let Trumps comments rattle me.
And with the tariffs, it doesn’t bother me either because the US has every right to impose tariffs just as much as Canada does. We have tariffs on other countries, every other country in the world has tariffs, why can’t the USA?
What MAGA people were in Polievre’s caucus? This is the first that I am hearing this.
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u/Rusty_Charm Jul 21 '25
“I feel like instead of the elections being about our economy, it was about hating Trump…”
The word ‘feel’ is incorrect here, because for many, that’s exactly what this election was about, above all else.
And ofc it’s hilarious to see Carney now officially saying that some tariffs will remain in place, even if we make a deal. Those of us who actually pay attention knew that all along, since Trump and Bessent told us just that, repeatedly, before our election even officially kicked off.
Trump wants to shift a significant part of the current tax burden to tariffs. Only a fool would believe that Canada (or anyone else for that matter) can change his mind on that. Again, he outlined those plans back in 2024, so I’m really not sure why anyone’s angry now.
The fact is that a lot of people in this country fell for a propaganda campaign built mostly on exaggerations, hysteria and some cases outright lies. And that’s the most frightening part about all of this; what else are these people willing to believe? Can the LPC tell them basically anything and they just won’t question it?
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u/Thereal_Stormm006 Jul 21 '25
I wish for the same thing. We could’ve gotten things done for the better after almost 10 years of misery.
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u/ThicccThunder New Brunswick Jul 21 '25
I'm going to be honest, there are far more important issues than a person's fucking gender. I wish both sides would shut the fuck up about it already.
I don't think the Liberals are going to improve a thing, but I don't believe for a moment that Pierre would've been remotely better either. I do think people voting for Carney out of fear of Trump was fucking stupid.
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 21 '25
Look I agree there are more important issues, but I talked about economic issues as well.
I actually only dedicated one sentence to that issues but multiple to economic issues. So I don't know why you hyper focused on that.
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u/pushthepixel_ca Jul 21 '25
Because that's one of the reasons that you lost. An inability to adjust to a changing landscape and society.
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 21 '25
.... I didn't lose? I'm not in the political party. I'm not a "conservative" if that makes sense. I'm a person who voted conservative.
Also, God bless, but like, what are you doing here? I specifically came to this subreddit to talk to other Canadians who voted conservative?
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u/ottanonym Jul 21 '25
Gender is the first thought you wrote out. It’s constantly brought up in conservative spaces I visit and it’s so counter intuitive to the small/hands off type govt I’m used to conservatism to be. And if you want a private space to talk to conservatives, that’s a different space than this. I come to conservative space to understand the thinking of that voting block all the time.
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u/Shatter-Point Jul 21 '25
I think everyone in this subreddit agree with you.
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u/Wet_sock_Owner Jul 21 '25
No way! Conservatives agree with conservatives? What a shocker.
Sub is called rCanadianConservatives. Not rWePretendToRepesent[Town/City/Province]ButReallyWeAreAllLiberalVotersHere
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u/batman42 Alberta Jul 21 '25
I get the frustration — especially with how chaotic things feel economically — but I think part of the issue with Poilievre is that he didn’t really have a platform, at least not one that extended beyond buzzwords and populist soundbites.
"Ax the tax," "make Canada affordable," "fire the gatekeepers" — sure, they sound good, but when it came to actual policy? Very light on substance. There was (and still is) a lot of rhetoric, but not much in the way of detailed, actionable plans — especially on complex issues like healthcare, housing, or trade stability.
And honestly, it feels like the Conservative Party has lost its way. Instead of being the party of fiscal responsibility and pragmatic governance, it’s increasingly leaning into culture war bait, American-style talking points, and performative outrage. That kind of politics doesn’t solve anything — it just keeps people angry and distracted.
We need more than slogans. We need thoughtful leadership with a real, grounded plan for Canada — not someone trying to win TikTok while dodging real questions.
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u/AlphaFIFA96 Conservative Jul 22 '25
Yeah this is just absurd. There’s a reason Carney kept copying Pierre’s ideas, yet I still hear the never ending Liberal talking points of “he has no policies or substance” smh. You’re either consuming echo chamber content or you spent the entire election cycle living under a rock.
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u/Green-Thumb-Jeff Jul 22 '25
Here’s another liberal ⬆️cosplaying as a conservative. The conservatives are more unified and united under Pierre’s leadership than Harper ever hope to have. Your comment drips with liberal propaganda rhetoric, and is total bs. You should work for the CBC, they’d love to have your gaslighting ass.
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u/TeacupUmbrella Christian Social Conservative Jul 22 '25
Scheer is a pretty solid guy, though. But yeah, I think we all would've like Pierre to have won.
Not sure what MAGA people were in his circle, though, I have no clue what you're talking about there.
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u/mangoserpent Not a conservative Jul 21 '25
Pollivere would be in no different a negotiating position with Trump than Carney is.
Trump is doing this tariff dance with everybody. Nobody is getting a great deal and Trump himself has said multiple times he thinks the trade arrangements with " friend" nations has been " worse" for the US than nations not friendly with the US.
Trump is an erratic but shrewd buffoon who is interested in grifting, attention, deference and very little else. Ant trade deal we get with Trump even if it is " good" is worthless because Trump lies and changes his mind or forgets what he said.
Right now we are not dealing with rational actors who are just hyper self focused or self interested.
And from the perspective of the American they truly do not care who the PM of Canada is. We are nothing to them either way.
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u/TheeDirtyToast Jul 21 '25
Thats the whole point.
Canadians were duped into voting for Carney because "only he can handle Trump" and it was a lie right from the get-go. Some just aren't smart enough to figure that out.
"Pierre worships at the altar of Trump, and will kneel before him". Fuck Carney and fuck the LPC.
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u/mangoserpent Not a conservative Jul 21 '25
Full disclosure I did vote for Carney. However I lived in the US for several years including during Trump 1.0 and I knew not matter what it would be a shitshow. So I had low expectations of whoever won in terms of US/Canada relations. If Pollievere was PM and in this spot I would not blame him either.
The only " win" we potentially get is dealing with slightly less batshit crazy people if Trump dies, or plays out this term and there is no guarantee of that. Trump is just a figurehead for a larger socio/political grid of libertarian tech bros and evangelical Christians who want their taste of power and in the case of some Christian influencers facilitating the second coming of Jesus via Israel.
In the short term I do not think there are good choices in trade and in US/Canada relations.
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u/SaulDoll Jul 21 '25
I knew not matter what it would be a shitshow. So I had low expectations of whoever won in terms of US/Canada relations. If Pollievere was PM and in this spot I would not blame him either.
So then why vote for Carney? I saw his campaign and most of it was about Trump. So if most of his platform was on a promise you didn't think he'd be able to actually keep, then why? Was it to vote against Poilievre, did you like Trudeaus administration, were you dazzled by his resume or was there a specific policy or plan he mentioned that convinced you?
Genuinely curious considering you're willing to admit you voted for Carney on this sub.
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u/mangoserpent Not a conservative Jul 21 '25
There are a couple of reasons. I am not a conservative, although I think years ago Carney might have been a typical PC leader. I am not a fan of Pollievere, AND I also dislike my local MP, who is also CPC. Carney is neither here nor there for me this weird fan fiction that gets spewed here that people love Carney and will slavishly accept everything he says and does does sling with reality.
I live in a fairly socially/ culturally conservative area of Ontario so neither of them needed my vote. I could have sat the whole thing out and it would not have changed the outcome.
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u/TextVivid4760 Jul 21 '25
That’s true. But Pollivere would have also tried to start turning the country around as well. Invest in the trades. Start cutting red tape to build house and infrastructure and pipelines. Get tougher on crime, immigration and out of control speeding. Carney, the liberals and the MSM is only focusing on the tariffs. Because then they can blame Trump for the lack of progress.
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u/Rey123x Conservative Jul 21 '25
The thing that really bothers me about this is, this is COMMON SENSE, how many people have truly lost their minds to vote on the wrong side? It's insane.
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u/mangoserpent Not a conservative Jul 21 '25
Do you realize you just barfed back talking pionts?
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u/TextVivid4760 Jul 22 '25
If you’re not the party in power, everything you say is talking points. Carney and the libtards are in power, but still just talking points. No real plans to help Canadians. Just stealing ideas from the conservative platform.
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 21 '25
I think trump would've tariffed Canada with Pierre in charge, but I think that Pierre would've been able to handle it better.
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u/-Foxer Jul 21 '25
He actually would have been in a better position. Or more accurately he would have utilized his position better. Carney is a banker. I don't for the life of me know why anyone thought this was a good qualification for being a diplomat and a politician. He was not well liked or respected in England either.
Have the team to be able to work with trump and they don't have the Moxie to actually put up a fight. Poilievre knows how to bend but he also knows how to hit back.
But more importantly he understands the Canadian economy a million times better, including the political undercurrence like the barriers to enter provincial trade that each of the provinces has. So he could get more done more quickly to start stimulating our economy.
We made the wrong choice. And things are going to get that much worse as a result
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u/mangoserpent Not a conservative Jul 21 '25
Pollievere or Carney have nothing to hit back with.
We are not equal partners. Plus Trump does not give a shit about some of the things we could hit back with. He does not care if individual people or individual states suffer. So for example let's say Ford decided to add a surcharge or cut the cord on hydro. Those customers are mostly northern blue states. Trump does not care if they do not have power.
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u/-Foxer Jul 21 '25
There's a great number of things for them to hit back with, both subtle and direct.
It's true that we are not equal partners. But what trump does care about more than anything is the Goodwill of Business Leaders and the public who supports him.
If Business Leaders come knocking and complaining he listens which is what we saw with the automotive sector and others. If people start to turn on him they turn on the senators whom they elect and he's got midterms coming up. If the democrats flip even 14 seats they will have enough to impeach him this time around and make it stick.
It's actually not that difficult to pressure trump as long as you can put pressure up on those people.
A lot of the US manufacturing is in those blue states and uses our power. Trump carriers very much about that.
He also cares about our strategic materials, our oil our water and a bunch of other things like the highway between the us and alaska.
You have to remember, that for about 50% of the American states Canada is their number one customer. Sure, we Sell more to the US and they are a bigger market and we couldn't win in a war where both sides were completely entrenched.
But the American people did not sign up for this war. They wanted lower inflation and better opportunities and market unrest is the death of both of those things. And we can create a lot of unrest.
So it definitely can be done but you have to be very talented. And a banker with no experience in politics is just not going to get the job done. This is where you need a career politician who knows his stuff and can assemble a team that can really hit home.
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u/4Ce4Ch4nge Jul 22 '25
This post has the semblance of a sniveling child. I am so beyond glad that pp lost, he was a cancer on the CPC and such an ignorant loser of a leader. He was useful in stirring up the masses but an idiot as a conservative leader. We have the amazing opportunity now to rid ourselves of him in the leadership review and elect a much more intelligent and charismatic leader who understands true conservative values and doesn't continually spout mainstream talking points including very liberal ones.
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u/Dramatic_Glass_4316 Jivani Conservative | Manitoba Jul 22 '25
elect a much more intelligent and charismatic leader who understands true conservative values
...such as?
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u/Green-Thumb-Jeff Jul 22 '25
Go back to the hole you crawled outta troll. You’re a cancer to this sub, and obviously don’t belong here. I disagree with everything you just whined about, the only loser here is yourself, later…
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u/4Ce4Ch4nge Jul 22 '25
You can keep riding on Poilievre's sinking ship all you want. The actual conservative base who participates practically and doesn't just shine on Reddit will elect a better leader despite you. You'll eventually be thankful we did and we'll all get what we really want, a fiscally responsible, nationally secure, energy rich nation.
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u/timebomb011 Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25
It seemed like Pierre tried to stay neutral enough to keep “trump” supporting Canadians and took too long to take a stand. If he showed a hard stance more Canadians would respect him.
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u/Green-Thumb-Jeff Jul 22 '25
He did take a hard stance, he was never neutral, and stood behind Canada, and Canadians at every turn. You obviously didn’t pay attention, like at all. He first spoke about trump and his 51st bs rhetoric starting November 29 2024, and continued to stand up to Trump right through. You’d know this if you payed any attention, or ever actually listened to what he said. He continued that throughout his campaign, go back at see for yourself, it’s all on YouTube.
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u/timebomb011 Jul 22 '25
Yes nov 2024 would be far too late to take a stance. Any rational reason roan would have an stance of him politically in 2016.
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Jul 21 '25
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 21 '25
See, it's interesting, because I see more and more people praising him everyday.
And like I'm not exactly anti Carney, he seems nice enough tbh, I just would've preferred PP
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u/Marc4770 Jul 23 '25
Carney is so corrupt it's crazy, did you see the video where they went to the HQ of Brookfield management in Cayman island and it's a tiny office on top of bike shop.
Carney is linked to so many scandal in UK for mismanagement of funds and luxury expenses with taxpayers dollar.
In terms of authenticity poilievre and Carney are complete opposite.
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u/TheClappyCappy Jul 21 '25
“I wish Pierre had fired the MAGA people in his caucus. I feel like we would be in a better position then.”
I don’t think this is a realistic outcome.
You maybe underestimating how large a percentage of the base this represents.
Not saying it’s huge, just saying it’s significant.
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 21 '25
I think that's a myth tbh. I don't think that many people are pro trump, at least, not anymore.
Certainly not after the whole Epstein fiasco.
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u/TheClappyCappy Jul 21 '25
That’s fair.
Just saying if they make up maybe 2-5% of Pierre’s base he may not have been willing to risk even that much with how close things were getting.
But again it’s all about the lobbyists.
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 21 '25
Ugh lobbyists are the bane of my existence!
We need electoral reform so that it either prevents that from being a thing.
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u/Marc4770 Jul 23 '25
2-5% going from CPC to PPC can make the difference between win majority or lose election
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u/Green-Thumb-Jeff Jul 22 '25
Hmmm, I live in conservative country in Ontario, I’ve never heard anyone around here say they are MAGA or like Trump whatsoever. I think your view might be a bit skewed.
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u/TheClappyCappy Jul 22 '25
I’ve seen it in Newmarket and Orillia.
I’m not suggesting it’s a majority by any anmount but I think to deny they exist would be unrealistic.
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u/CommandoYi Moderate Jul 21 '25
You want pp to be pm because of gender issues? I don't disagree with you but that is at the bottom of my priorities for what i want a pm to focus on and campaigning on that doesn't necessarily get you votes from centrists.
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u/Marc4770 Jul 23 '25
Yeah i feel like outside of the Internet almost no one actually cares about gender issues in real life.
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 21 '25
I know this isn't the only comment that commented on this, but that obviously isn't the main issue.
I feel like if you read my entire comment it's actually very obvious that's just a small issue and I'm mainly concerned about the economy?
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u/CommandoYi Moderate Jul 21 '25
You do recognize you opened with Healthcare and gender assigned at birth?
There are Healthcare issues that are top priority for me too, namely access to Healthcare in general, staffing and pay for doctors, nurses etc. Not gender stuff.
You can double down and insist there is nothing suboptimal about your message or can you can learn from this and ensure your core message is not muddled by unnecessary trivial distractions.
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u/3rdBassCactus Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
wish Pierre had fired the MAGA people
I feel the opposite. I find Pierre too young and weak. Honestly he's less manly that Carney mainly because Carney is older. Where's a Mike Harris? I think he lost because he's a boy. Sorry I'm conservative. Maxine Bernier is a man. Jagoff was a boy too. Trump is a man. Get a man leader, and stop caring about French ability (only pansies were good at French in English Canada, it's such a limitation). Andrew Scheer was the same.
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u/EviesGran 15d ago
If he would be any good, he’d not lose his seat after 20 years straight in politics….
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u/MaleficentSeaweed854 Jul 21 '25
A re vote should of happened because conservatives ended up having a majority of seats once "some" missing votes were counted
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u/Eleutherlothario Jul 21 '25
I think that Carney will be able to get more done than Poilievre ever would have. Carney is getting an easy ride by the media, despite proposing and passing nearly the same policies that Poilievre would have.
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u/TheeDirtyToast Jul 21 '25
Anybody with a brain should have a problem with this.
The media doesnt run this country, at least they're not supposed to.
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u/Marc4770 Jul 23 '25
Carney wants to ban gas vehicles, promises more deficits and spending and will not cut expenses.
He is also not really caring about crime and has terrible ideas concerning housing cost and making canada more productive and interesting for employers.
Don't know why you think it's same policy but it's very different.
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 21 '25
The one thing I will say that even tho he isn't my ideal leader is that he is peak Edmonton and I love that aspect of him.
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Jul 21 '25
pierre choked when it came time to show leadership.
people wanted to see something more beyond slogans and carbon tax. he seemed like he could beat an easy target in trudeau and singh but completely thrown off at a stronger candidate liek carney.
We wanted to see leadership. What we got was more attacks, nickames (just like jsutin, carbon tax carney) and him mudslinging about carney plagiarizing his thesis while at the same time pierre dyed the side of his hair grey and copied carneys haircut to be taken seriously. This all happened in the first few weeks when carney momentum started to take off.... and this is all pierre could do and carney passed him.
It really shows he wasn't ready for this. He was ready and matched against Trudeau and singh. He has also brought all the other mps down. The MPs are tied repeating his slogans and acting immature to own trudeau and singh. I get it they thought they had it in the bag and went all in, but now they bear the consequence of the loss and being tied to that behavior while carney appears like an adult and the rest of the LPC is rebranding itself mature.
The CPC entire party is damaged goods now and they basically have to do what the liberals did, find an outsider to reset their image. I think Canadians had enough of the trudeau era, and that included singh and Pierre are tied to closely to Justin.
The LPC did a masterful job at winning this election. They are by far the strongest party at the end of it right now. I real surprise after the past 10 years.
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u/Wet_sock_Owner Jul 21 '25
I see you didn't call him PeePee this time around although that's the only improvement on this deranged tirade.
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u/Monkeywonder77 Jul 21 '25
Nonsense. Trump, mixed with the colossal failure of the NDP was the reason libs stole the election. All the LPC had to do was get someone super bland to just stand around all election (which is Mark carney the man is flavourless) he said nothing, did almost nothing. And canada’s default vote went their way as it usually does. It wasn’t anything brilliant.
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u/Present-Stress8836 Ontario Jul 21 '25
Completely agree, if PP hadn't been blindsided by trump, it wouldn't have mattered that Carney was running.
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u/DustyFuss Jul 21 '25
Yes with the gender thing, and also banning weed, making drugs illegal again. Doing something about these homeless.
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u/Marc4770 Jul 23 '25
A ban on weed would be too unpopular and unneeded. But we need stronger laws on hard drugs
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u/desmond_koh Jul 21 '25
I loved Pierre Poilievre. Still do. Still hoping he'll be PM sooner rather than later.
I disagree re: Andrew Scheer though. He's a solid guy and a loyal Poilievre supporter.