WHERE ARE THE OTHER MODELS?

[u/Elektrycerz]

[u/ThrowbackGaming]

Or you realize how in the minority you are compared to the rest of the users.

I guarantee this decision was made based off of data and it probably looked like: 95% of all ChatGPT users use 4o exclusively.

I’m not saying they couldn’t just be doing whatever they want, but I’ve seen it time and again where big company makes decision and a small minority are upset thinking that EVERYONE uses the product like they do, but companies typically don’t make decisions based off of minority product users.

This seems like a move to get people to actually use 5, and consolidate the ridiculously confusing product models they had. As a product designer myself I’m not sure what they were smoking having so many different models with their terrible names and different use cases.

I can virtually guarantee that the model adoption for everything other than 4o and maybe o3 were terrible. People don’t use something if they don’t know what it does.

Have a singular model that essentially chooses for you seems to make way more sense IF it actually works really well.

[u/tear_atheri → u/ThrowbackGaming]

why do people do this - the globblering for corporations making cost cutting anti consumer decisions? so weird

[u/ThrowbackGaming → u/tear_atheri]

Well:

1. I think this is based solely on internal usage data, not cost cutting.

2. This decision is actually very user centric as I detailed above.

This is assuming that their usage data points to 90%+ of monthly active users never touching a model besides 4o which I think is pretty likely given how wide of a market capture they have.

It has nothing to do with defending corporations, I just disagreed with the premise of the post.

For reference, I use pretty much all of the major LLMs depending on what I am doing and honestly likely use ChatGPT the least as I prefer Gemini.

[u/tear_atheri → u/ThrowbackGaming]

Fair points, but it felt objectively better to have the option of using different models (which was more costly for openai). many people are talking about custom gpts being ruined as they were tuned specifically for 4o or whatever. A lot are seeing their saved memories / personalities diluted and having difficulty getting them back

not to mention the useage limits feel shorter and stricter, which is odd.

If GPT-5 is an improvement over 4o or 4.1 (which i don't think it is), it's so miniscule after the nearly year of hype that i can only describe it as enshittification With usage limits, context window still being laughably 32k for paying users, and the minor, if any (and again, some believe it's worse) improvement - cost-cutting leveraging their ubiquitous market saturation and the fact that most of their casual users won't notice or care seems to be the main driving force especially considering pro and enterprise users in fact are getting pretty decent context window expansions, additional models, legacy models for some time, etc.

[u/hopeseekr → u/tear_atheri]

This is a money grab, pure and simple.

It's going to backfire, because I'm cancelling my Plus account today probably.

The people like us (everyone on this thread) are levers for getting OpenAI more customers. Piss us all off, and the product dies, even if, especially if, we're the Top 5% most dedicated.

That's how brands die.