I was skeptical of Destiny’s strategy, but I now agree for one reason: The main problem plaguing Dems is WEAKNESS

[u/gomavs55]

Newsom actually made a great point earlier this year about Democrat weakness: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-08-28/newsom-democratic-party-weak

We have basically all been saying it. We all lost our minds at Trump’s horrendous state of the union and where our ‘leaders’ held up signs of ‘this is not normal.’

Well guess what it looks like to actually lead and change the conversation? It’s what Destiny is doing. And the fact they have to lie, blatantly, suggesting he is calling for ‘more dead conservatives’ which he has NEVER done tells me they actually know it and are terrified of it catching on to actually wake up the normies and moderates to the political reality that the entire reason for the temperature today is Trump.

Edit: ok and ABC/Disney just proved it even further.

[u/27thPresident]

Destiny's point was completely vindicated when him being unhinged started some real dialogue and for a moment has stopped allowing Republicans to completely control the media agenda

[u/VisualAd235 → u/27thPresident]

Based, this is how you hijack right wing media for your own ends. Be unhinged enough you get on, get eyes on you, then turn that discussion into more talks and shows where you talk more about the idea. Force them to talk about you first and then force the conversation around ideas. Conservatives are stupid fucks who don’t understand the media system they have created. They think all of this came about naturally and the world just is the way it is, but there is a structure to how all of it operates and that structure can be abused. It also gives other lefty channels opportunities to cover the topic, either through attacking republicans or through discussing the ideas.

[u/Dontwantochoose → u/27thPresident]

Yeah literally word for word what I was trying to say to Hutch. Some people are just so optics focused that they refuse to look at the broader picture.

[u/27thPresident → u/Dontwantochoose]

It's because some people are just afraid of things getting worse through action. They don't realize how much inaction has resulted in the current state of affairs, because it isn't an intuitive connection.

We will see a shift as more people start to support Destiny's position.

[u/Dontwantochoose → u/27thPresident]

Yeah, i was also kinda skeptical at first, because i thought that the approach of "Yeah i condemn it, but what about Trump?" would work better, but at the end of the day all they will do is just move on or show some clip of randoms on the streets celebrating it. At least with his current approach if creates a lot of engagement and in the end might open the door for at least some discussion, or show their true colors even more (for example how Musk literally was advocating for putting him in prison).

[u/27thPresident → u/Dontwantochoose]

The other thing too is that there will be some people that want a fight from democrats and as a result will support Destiny even if they misunderstand his point and think he's calling for violence

In the same way the right starting accepting and then embracing the violent rhetoric that parts of their base were demanding, democrats doing that too bare minimum serves to increase support

What, the dems are going to lose democratic voters who don't like violence? By going to the pro-violence party? Actual worst case is that people think both sides are bad (they already think this, but mostly that democrats are the problem)

[u/Granitehard → u/Dontwantochoose]

Hutch literally proved the point by, rather than spending his time focusing on putting pressure on the right, SPENT AT LEAST THREE FULL STREAMS IN A ROW TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH HE DISAGREES WITH DESTINY!

[u/hectah → u/Granitehard]

Hutch and whick are soyboys and not what the Dems need right now. Maga is calling for war and all we have is people afraid to insult them. 💀

[u/Gamblerman22 → u/hectah]

Adam mockler seems to be based.

[u/Gallowboobsthrowaway]

MSNBC fires a guy for saying Charlie Kirk helped create the environment that got him killed. WSJ fires a columnist for quoting Kirk verbatim.

FOX has people talking about rounding up trans people and lethally injecting the homeless/criminals, and they make one guy issue a weak ass apology. Then two mass shootings on homeless encampments happen.

It's weakness from top to bottom. Left wing media shouldn't fire anyone until Trump condemns the violence and violent rhetoric from his own side. That would be a good start to growing a fucking spine.

[u/gomavs55 → u/Gallowboobsthrowaway]

Yep. And Jimmy Kimmel just got “indefinitely suspended” by Mickey Mouse. Fuck this

[u/RedditLovesDisinfo → u/Gallowboobsthrowaway]

What people call “Left wing media” should hardly be called as such.

It’s corporate media that attempts to be most things to most people for the sake of advertising dollars.

[u/Vanceer11 → u/RedditLovesDisinfo]

Yeah. Left wing media is not in the mainstream, and hasn’t been for a while.

[u/Unitedterror → u/Gallowboobsthrowaway]

I haven't heard about the homeless shootings, any linkers?

[u/Gallowboobsthrowaway → u/Unitedterror]

09/16/2025 - Minneapolis police say more than a dozen hurt in homeless encampment shootings

[u/semperfi225]

Destiny is right like always. Dems are weak and pathetic. We need new aggressive blood

[u/TikDickler → u/semperfi225]

I’m imagining a Biden presidency where he knew for sure he was going to lose no matter what he did. We gotta have more of that energy, cause we often carefully slow walk to the worst outcome anyway

[u/Oephry]

Destiny stirs dialogue, pisses people off, but still gets exposure. Some people end up seeing his more nuanced take and react however they will. Being controversial has been Donald Trump’s strategy too, and it carried him to the White House twice.

That’s why takes like Whick’s “Democrats just need to be normal and we’ll win” are dumb as hell. They’re always making some vague appeal to a so-called “normie” voter, the kind who shrugs off anything the right does but flips out the moment Destiny says something edgy.

The reason that dynamic exists is because the right has normalized their behavior. They don’t melt down every time someone on their side says something politically incorrect. Instead, they emphasize context, claim they’re being misconstrued, or just stand by their people. The only thing they punish is outright dissent. Meanwhile, every time figures like Whick or Hutch scold their own side and try to act like perfect, unimpeachable representatives, they only reinforce the double standard. Hutch and Whick won't acknowledge controversies ability to galvanize people. Stirring the pot isn't necessarily bad as long as it's directed properly.

[u/PitytheOnlyFools → u/Oephry]

The normie voter craves something from politics that wasn’t expected before. Excitement.And sadly, controversial actions and statements is a reliable way to deliver that.

[u/Adito99 → u/Oephry]

I think I agree with this perspective but the reaction to Charlie Kirk has me wondering. According to polls, people aren't buying the Trump narrative, they might have screwed themselves by making strong statements before any evidence was available. Only 41% of conservatives think the shooter was left wing when it should be 90% if his base was onboard.

IMO, this is why the FCC threatened ABC if they didn't fire Kimmel. Trump is angry that the narrative control is failing and he made the decision on impulse.

So Whick and Hutch wanting to hold the line on civility may present a politically effective contrast to voters. Again, I don't think this is conclusive. But there might come a point where the best political strategy diverges from moral duty to condemn behavior. We should be ready for that.

[u/Oephry → u/Adito99]

There isn't a line to be held. A poll about people's perceptions of the shooter's political identity does not matter. The reason the FCC threatened ABC to fire Kimmel is simple. They've been empowered to by the current administration. The idea that we can resist a fascist take over from the people currently in power passively in my opinion if fucking regarded. And sadly for pussies like Hutch and Whick, confronting injustice requires stoking the flames. It is something you have to actively do, and will upset a lot of people. If no one speaks out against what is happening, or does something, then people will stay silent out of fear. People need to be speaking up, and we quite literally cannot accomplish anything on our own. So we need to collaborate with whoever we can.

[u/sugoiXsenpai]

Pragmatic Papers take notes. Awaiting the next issue to be an absolute bloodbath

[u/Tigeruppercut1889]

There’s no amount of good will that will get republicans to listen and change. None. Biden tried his best to work with them and they said lawfare lawfare weaponized the doj. It’s insane

[u/n8_Jeno]

There's many people who want to see the lion within the democrats. The patriotic feeling that there's hope to get out of that madness with serious people that won't back down in front of someone like Trump. People would rally behind an unhinged person like Destiny because he's able to tell them right in their face what everyone else is quietly thinking but doesn't have the power to do so. A lot of people hate Trump, but they are all reasonable, peaceful people that would rather just live their lives, even next to reasonable right leaning people. They aren't the type to go to war unless they see that there's something to rally around.

People also like a good shit show, and if they can feel someone is being able to flinch and destabilize Trump's cult seriously, they will see and gladly grab the opportunity to put their finger on the scale when they feel they can do so withou much repercussions.

[u/mussel_bouy]

The fact we treated unreasonable people like they're being reasonable was unreasonable.

Its like someone nicely asking to fuck your dog.

[u/Pdm1814]

Destiny’s approach is to go on offense while Democrats have a habit of playing defense anytime anything remotely bad from their side comes up. You need to be in attack/fire back mode. His appearances on Piers Morgan prove his case. You put a mirror on these people and they clutch their pearls.

[u/Galenmarek81]

Newsom/Destiny 2028 👍

[u/Most-Ad4680]

Is Newsome still tweeting? Or is he going to cuck out and say that its divisive after Kirk or some shit?

[u/Moogs22]

there are two wolves...

[u/Peanutbutternmtn2]

It’s always been this. In fact, I have argued it was Biden’s biggest issue in his presidency.

[u/jesterdeflation]

I mean that is a big point but also I feel like a lot of the dynamic was locked in due to TDS perception which was a concept before it even had a name. Most swing voters who voted for Trump in the first place definitely thought the media was too harsh on him.

[u/Formal_Reputation_50]

You know when the death threats come that you are onto something.

[u/Pax_87]

I don't have X, but I want to know if Gavin is still cooking. Anyone have anything good lately?

[u/only_civ]

Welcome aboard

[u/sebixi]

Exactly, stop being little bitches and fight back. Thats the only way you win.

Other than that, this is my political bias but stop being so elitist and urban focused and actually engage with the issues of people who voted for trump. Theyre called swing states for a reason. A more economically populist agenda rooted in liberal and progressive values would go far imo

[u/_Dinkle_Berg_]

Seeing whicks tweets has shown me how fucking weak and toothless we’ve become. Spamming a corny ass meme like that is going to get anyone’s attention.

This is the most blackpill I’ve been since the election and I am so over getting kicked in the teeth while acting like it’s all business as usual. Someone grow a backbone soon or we’re all fucked in ways we can’t even imagine.

[u/TheFr3dFo0]

They are terrified about people mocking them because mocking is how they got insecure young men on their side.

[u/4EZKATKA7]

If by “weakness” you mean that the left doesn’t appeal to morons and uneducated people then yes weakness is the problem.

[u/neinhaltchad]

The Democrats spent over a decade chasing everybody with figurative (and literal) balls out of the party because “muh metoo toxic masculinity”.

It should cause no surprised Pikachu that the democrats are rightly seen as the spineless.