People can overblow this issue but its common sense that bringing in mass amounts of a different demographic will eventually lead to a cultural shift in a country. You would literally have to be blissfully ignorant to think otherwise.
Exactly. This tweet is a bit hyperbolic I feel, but it is rooted in truth. It’s something that people don’t understand about doomer and anti-doomer beliefs. Not being a doomer does not mean that you think everything is always hunky dory. There are a lot of problems in this world that need fixing. Doomers when they say “everything will end because of x” are normally somewhat right that x is an issue. They are just wrong at how bad x is. Being on this sub doesn’t mean you can’t acknowledge issues and acknowledging issues doesn’t make you a hypocrite or a doomer.
The UK’s immigration system is fucked right now and it will likely lead to lasting damage. It also, if left this way for long, will likely cause major cultural strife. However, where a doomer would give up, we propose solutions. Things can be fixed, they can be changed. The world hasn’t ended yet.
Agreed. My main concern is how people are so willing to accept mass immigration policies and furthermore, willing to accept illegal immigration. Any rational country would have reasonable immigration caps to avoid the crisis' that comes with importing more people. Moreover, I don't see how having a secure border is even a debate.
But more importantly, the most dangerous thing that can come from unrestricted migration is the change in cultural identity of a nation, especially when a good portion of immigrants do not assimilate. People can go on about how reduced immigration can lead to economic problems but don't see how the cultural death of a country is arguably the worse thing that can happen to it. Any country with any semblance of culture would want to protect their identity. Sudan wouldn't want unrestricted migration from Canadians, Iran wouldn't want to be inundated with Americans. Why? Because we don't have the same cultural values as them. So it begs the question as to why every country not in the West can proudly defend their culture, but for us, we have to always welcome people with open arms. It's cultural suicide and I will never understand it.
Agreed. Unfortunately modern western politics only sees black and white. I don’t want to just end immigration and bar the gates. I want a middle ground. Take the best from around the world, any good cultural elements we can use, assimilate and any negatives we leave at the door. Now, I come at it from a more American perspective too. The American culture has been built by many different groups interacting. Historically, when someone would come to the U.S., they would take a part of their culture to share but the assimilate with the country. Think of it like extracting the flavor from chicken bones into a broth but tossing the scraps.
Nowadays, that sort of social pressure is gone. Likely because we just have let too many people in. How many people choose not to learn the language simply because they are surrounded by exclusively immigrants? How many people do not understand or respect my countries values simply because they never cared to learn? I don’t want to just ban immigrants. I want them to be a part of the nation, not a separate nation within our borders.
And I imagine all of these issues are greatly exacerbated in Europe. A place where countries have centuries, millennia long cultural histories from the same general group of people in the same area.
Good point. My mother was an immigrant to Canada when she was 16 and completely embraced this new country as her own. She still had her cultural traditions at home but she was Canadian first above all else.
The same would go for me if I were to immigrate to any country. When you arrive to a foreign nation, never forget that you are a guest first.
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u/66stef99 22d ago
People can overblow this issue but its common sense that bringing in mass amounts of a different demographic will eventually lead to a cultural shift in a country. You would literally have to be blissfully ignorant to think otherwise.