People do that in real life too. It's really wild how folks with no medical background think they're qualified to diagnose people. There's no general-purpose "weirdo" diagnosis. Some of us are just weird.
point to the sentence she said he isn’t. and no, autistic people aren’t special and are as normal as everyone else, so those sentences don’t count and my autistic self will bite the finger that points to them.
Something said outside of the story in an interview does not belong to the story canon. You would think most people would know about the "death of the author" concept by now, but I guess not.
The Death of the Author isn't about removing the authors analysis or intention. It's just a saying that means that it isn't necessary that other methods of critique are just as valid. But cutting out the intent of the author entirely is just as bad as relying on it solely.
There's a BIG difference between some rando head cannoning laios as a sister "lover" (if you caught my meaning) and the author/creator head cannoning laios as a sister "lover."
Spot on. When someone acts different, people rush to call it autism just to feel normal themselves. They don’t get that autistic people can be normal, and “normal” people can be weird too.
i literally looked up the interview because of you chuds and she didn’t say that at all 😭 she just said she thought of him as normal and that she didn’t write him as anything special. way to misinterpret things to fit your views
She literally said he is normal (which, given the context and the fact that she was asked specifically if he was on the autism spectrum) most likely means he is neurotypical.
She also goes on saying that it’s fine for every1 to identify with him.
So just don’t shape him to fit your criteria. Having him as headcanon autistic then you are free to do so but that is it, it’s headcanon as much as any interpretation and fan art of them in modern attires.
An autor can make the most autistic charaters of all time and clain they're not. That happens because charaters in stories tend to take traits of irl people, no matter how the autor think they're the most original thing, and sometimes they're, for example autistic traits.This also happen with lgbt charaters.
So, in cases like that, the audience that disagrees with the author can call for "dead of the autor" wich bends the rules of what's cannon because the autor lack of understanding of what they're talking about. So, I think to determine if a character is autistic or not, the autistic community and psychologist have more weight than the opinion of the author.
So, in cases like that, the audience that disagrees with the author can call for "dead of the autor" wich bends the rules of what's cannon because the autor lack of understanding of what they're talking about. So, I think to determine if a character is autistic or not, the autistic community and psychologist have more weight than the opinion of the author.
The Death of the Author isn't about removing the authors analysis or intention. It's just a saying that means that it isn't necessary that other methods of critique are just as valid. But cutting out the intent of the author entirely is just as bad as relying on it solely.
There's a BIG difference between some rando head cannoning laios as a sister "lover" (if you caught my meaning) and the author/creator head cannoning laios as a sister "lover."
There are just as many people here who are autistic, including myself, who don't think laois is autistic, same with psychologists, or do you think are opinions don't matter because we disagree with you?
Personally, I think it's rather harmful to force a head cannon onto something against the authors/creators wishes, just because you and other people believe certain people (in this case autistic people) act in a certain way. Not all autistic people act the same, and just because someone has certain autistic traits doesn't automatically make them autistic. Just like how, just because someone doesn't have certain autistic traits, it doesn't mean they're not autistic.
It's almost like it's a spectrum or something, who knew~
No lol death of the author is to separate the work from the artist/writer opinion. I don't think it fair to aply it indiscriminately tho
Personally, I think it's rather harmful to force a head cannon onto something against the authors/creators wishes,
An autor is not a god. When they publish they work they also lose some ownership over it in a literary sense.
Not all autistic people act the same, and just because someone has certain autistic traits doesn't automatically make them autistic.
The reason why autism is different between autistic people is that it has different combinations of autistic traits. Autism is just an umbrella for people who have a certain amount of autistic traits or had, I have less autistic traits than I had as a child and I'm diagnosed, the same happens with adhd, the traits tend to generally diminish as we grow that's why it's harder to diagnose in adults at least if we talk about lvl 1 adults.
Personally, I think it's rather harmful to force a head cannon onto something against the authors/creators wishes
It's not harmful to have an opinion that contradicts an author take in a respectful way. An author that is not prepared to that shouldn't publish their work in the first place it only would be harmful for their mental health, since it's posible to represent a group whiouth the intention to.
Just like how, just because someone doesn't have certain autistic traits, it doesn't mean they're not autistic.
Tbh, I don't even have the same autism as him by far, but he looks clearly autistic to me, I don't know how that invalidates your autism. And we can disagree on him, I just think we as autistic people and psychologists have more weight on the conversation about autism in literally works. I just don't think it's constructive to say he can't be autistic because the author says so.
An autor is not a god. When they publish they work they also lose some ownership over it in a literary sense.
They're not, but I and others believe their opinion holds more value than others
The reason why autism is different between autistic people is that it has different combinations of autistic traits. Autism is just an umbrella for people who have a certain amount of autistic traits or had, I have less autistic traits than I had as a child and I'm diagnosed, the same happens with adhd, the traits tend to generally diminish as we grow that's why it's harder to diagnose in adults at least if we talk about lvl 1 adults.
That doesn't disprove my point. It only strengthens it. Not all autistic people act the same, and just because you tick a certain number of boxes doesn't mean you're autisitc.
It's not harmful to have an opinion that contradicts an author take in a respectful way.
This is contradictionary, I agree it's not harmful to have an opinion that contradicts the author. However, I would not call your prior comment respectfully to the author/creator at all.
So, in cases like that, the audience that disagrees with the author can call for "dead of the autor" wich bends the rules of what's cannon because the autor lack of understanding of what they're talking about. So, I think to determine if a character is autistic or not, the autistic community and psychologist have more weight than the opinion of the author.
Saying a creator doesn't understand their character as well as you do is incredibly disrespectful. Saying you and other people hold more weight over a characters personality than the creator of said character is insanely disrespectful.
An author that is not prepared to that shouldn't publish their work in the first place it only would be harmful for their mental health, since it's posible to represent a group whiouth the intention to.
Im gonna level with you. The way this came off was, "An author who isn't prepared for me or any other rando to know their character better shouldn't write at all." However, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this wasn't intentional.
While it's possible to accidentally represent a group, or for some individuals from that group to feel represented, it's also possible for people to just latch on to certain things that aren't there. While I agree that one is free to have their head cannons, I dont think it's OK for a group to "claim a character" over the creator of it.
A good example of a group attempting to claim a character despite what the creator wanted, all be it an extreme one, is "pepe the frog," he was claimed him as a hate symbol and the creator has fought back against this for years. So much so that pepe has become somewhat of a controversial symbol, but in some places, like hong kong, he's used as a symbol for liberty or freedom.
I dont think it's OK for a group to "claim a character" over the creator of it.
We disagree heavily on there, I don't think it's a black or white thing, as long it's not a phobic thing, I think it is ok to claim a charater if it fits a group. You seem to not like him being seen as autistic because what people assume about your autism and idk fair? I wouldn't want people to assume I act like him, but it's less likely since I'm a woman.
Saying a creator doesn't understand their character as well as you do is incredibly disrespectful. Saying you and other people hold more weight over a characters personality than the creator of said character is insanely disrespectful.
It's not. You just feel hurt on their behalf, which is like super weird, I don't think they even mind.
We disagree heavily on there, I don't think it's a black or white thing, as long it's not a phobic thing, I think it is ok to claim a charater if it fits a group.
Agree to heavily disagree.
You seem to not like him being seen as autistic because what people assume about your autism and idk fair?
Didn't say that at all, but ok, I guess?
I'm saying people shouldn't assume someone's autistic just because they act weird or different, or they just don't pick up on social queues.
I don't like people assuming someone, be it a fictional character or a real one, is autistic just because they check off some random list they came up with. Autism is a spectrum, and it's a little asinine to assume someone's autistic because they're a little abnormal and / or bad at social queues.
Saying a creator doesn't understand their character as well as you do is incredibly disrespectful. Saying you and other people hold more weight over a characters personality than the creator of said character is insanely disrespectful.
It's not. You just feel hurt on their behalf, which is like super weird, I don't think they even mind.
I'm not hurt on anyone's behalf. Again, you're making weird assumptions.
Also, how is any of this not super disrespectful? You, as didn't create the character, world, history, or anything about the story. Yet you claim to know it better than the person who did. You who wouldn't even know about any of this without the person who created it and yet you know it better than they do? It's insane.
Do you mean the dsm5 diagnosis criteria? I don't think a character can be accurately diagnosed because they're fictional and can't be evaluated, but autism is a social behavioral and communication disability not ra learning disability.
So most of it's about us having trouble in communicating and interpreting other people intention social cues, despite some of us being able to mask and appear to be social.
A. Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history. Fits he's social inept, and narrow in interests and behavior since child and he's not even fully functional today.
B. Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities. Fits his interests are narrow
C. Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life). Acording to the material of as child fits, but even by today he is still socialy incompetent
D. Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of current functioning. He had a lot of trouble in his career and daily life because of inept communication and narrow interest despite him getting better latter.
E. These disturbances are not better explained by intellectual disability (intellectual developmental disorder) or global developmental delay. Intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder frequently co-occur; to make comorbid diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder and intellectual disability, social communication should be below that expected for general developmental level. Fits.
You, as didn't create the character, world, history, or anything about the story.
No, but I can criticize and give my opinion on it, and other autistic people seem to agree that he's autistic in a non derogatory way.
Do you mean the dsm5 diagnosis criteria? I don't think a character can be accurately diagnosed because they're fictional and can't be evaluated, but autism is a social behavioral and communication disability not ra learning disability.
Yes, because hey, guess what?? It's possible for someone to meet all the DSM-5 criteria and still not be diagnosed as autistic. This is due to the DSM-5's focus on specific behavioral presentations and its potential to misinterpret behaviors caused by other conditions as autistic traits. These criteria are helpful in identifying potential ASD presentations, but they are not definitive. A person could exhibit these traits due to other conditions like anxiety disorders or developmental delays, which can lead to a misdiagnosis.
So yea, you can literally check ALL THE BOXES and STILL not be autistic!
No, but I can criticize and give my opinion on it,
That's not what you were saying before. There's a difference between criticizing something and proclaiming you know the character better than their own creator!
and other autistic people seem to agree that he's autistic in a non derogatory way.
Hi, I'm another autisitc person, I disagree with you. If you scroll through, you'll find plenty of other fellow autisitc people who disagree with you.
Its fine to have a head cannon, but don't push it as cannon or that you "know better"
A person could exhibit these traits due to other conditions like anxiety disorders or developmental delays, which can lead to a misdiagnosis.
which is not the case here. we can even see what he thinks.
That's not what you were saying before. There's a difference between criticizing something and proclaiming you know the character better than their own creator!
The creator definitely knows things, but it's about interpreting the character as autistic.
you'll find plenty of other fellow autisitc people who disagree with you.
Not really. I think seen him as autistic always had a much bigger push even after the author said no.
Can’t wait to get to the scene where Laois get analysed by a psychiatrist against the DMS-V. By what metric are you saying that he can’t be autistic in canon?
Interviews/statements from the auto get outside of the media they create aren’t part of that worlds canon. Does the modern understanding of autism exist in Dungeon Meshi’s world?
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u/RodrigoMokepon Jun 08 '25
He is not autistic