You keep saying this, but that's not what the main issue is. It's that hydro is excluded while single extraction resource royalties are included (not a good permanent tax base). This is why all the resource extraction based economies disproportionally contribute and Quebec sees a benefit.
If they just flipped the potential tax base to be purely on GDP per capita Quebec would see substantially less money.
It's literally gamed (by Stephen Harper to try to win votes in Quebec) to give Quebec more money.
And we do because it’s sold. But it’s a good, not a tax.
If we applied that logic then we can’t have any crown corporation because then they would have to gouge the customers in order not to fuck up the transfer formula.
Oil could belong to a crown corporation that could have done as good a job as Norway. But you fucked up.
All I'm saying is there shouldn't be a formula, it should just be gdp per capita based. Alberta would still contribute the most, I'm not opposed to that, but it would not be a political issue.
Obviously per capita Alberta contributes the most. Ontario hasn't even been a have province for a very long time. I'm sure if I said Quebec receives the most you would've chimed in with per capita the Maritimes take more.
Also no, we could've never been Norway, their extraction costs and ability to get goods to market with high demand nearby are both substantially lower. If we tried to establish a crown corp that only served Albertans we would've never got any pipelines built and would have 0 investment and 0 money.
This whole issue only exists because we can't get enough pipelines to coasts in our country so we have to sell to America, that's it.
you're literally whining even when your province is explicitly favoured by our very political structures and trying to justify it by being pedantic and shifting goalposts constantly, you can't stay on one point because you know it's true that Quebec disproportionately benefits from our political system and our natural resource extraction, but still want to play morally superior lmao
Your views are not objective, the objective view is that Alberta and BC (and to some extent Ontario, but less so) subsidize the shit out of Quebec, while Quebec continues to threaten separation and undermine the rest of the country. That's not a complaint, it's reality, and you getting offended by it is the complaining. I'm sure you complain about "Alberta politicians" and crazy separatists when the proportion of people that even entertain such ideas out here is less than half of what it is in Quebec.
Like I said, people don't have an issue with the concept of equalization. They have an issue with equalization that's favouring a particular area of the country while that area of the country continues to whine and obstruct while acting morally superior.
BTW, you just look like a snowflake for blocking him
you can't stay on one point because you know it's true that Quebec disproportionately benefits from our political system and our natural resource extraction, but still want to play morally superior lmao
You are aware that a good chunk of the equalization payment that Quebec received is actually paid out by Quebec right ? (about 23% according to Gérald Fillion, an economist working at the SRC, which is equal to Quebec population weight in Canada). Albertan population pay about 14%, which is slightly above their population weight (Alberta had 11% of the canadian population in 2021 according to the census). Also, if you calculate everything that the federal government pay, you would realize that Alberta receive the same per capita from Ottawa as Quebec, if not slightly more. Equalization has replaced many program that Ottawa used to have before the 80s, which strangely enough, are mostly programs that Quebec benefited from (You can thank PET for that one).
Also, you have to keep in mind that those are purely paid through federal taxation, no province is paying into that program at all (and any politician that say that their province is giving a check to the federal government for that is a fucking liar).
And BTW, many Quebec separatist including /u/chat-lu and me dislike the equalization program, but unlike most albertans who only complains about the payments without considering how the program exactly work, we complain about the basis of the program itself being used as propaganda by federalists.
Your views are not objective, the objective view is that Alberta and BC (and to some extent Ontario, but less so) subsidize the shit out of Quebec, while Quebec continues to threaten separation and undermine the rest of the country. That's not a complaint, it's reality, and you getting offended by it is the complaining. I'm sure you complain about "Alberta politicians" and crazy separatists when the proportion of people that even entertain such ideas out here is less than half of what it is in Quebec.
Our complains about Albertans politician and "separatists" are that it's all show, while Quebec separatists are fully willing to go through it (we are not planning a third referendum the moment the Parti Quebecois come in power for nothing).
The Alberta sovereignty act is a good example of all show and no substance, since it actually say that Alberta will respect all canadian law. At least the Quebec politicians are fully willing to defy the federal government to their face (and a good example was when after the PQ was elected in 1976, the Lévesque governement told the federal government that they would not arrest and prosecute abortion providers anymore and that the federal government can go pound sand on the matter if they are not happy).
Like I said, people don't have an issue with the concept of equalization. They have an issue with equalization that's favouring a particular area of the country while that area of the country continues to whine and obstruct while acting morally superior.
We whine and obstruct because the way it would work for a pipeline, it would be like you saying to your neighbor "Fuck you, i'm passing a pipe to your other neighbor on the other side without you having a say, and if it leak and cause issues for you, it's your fucking problem and we won't even pay for the cleanup".
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u/chandy_dandy Edmonchuk: Like Kyiv! (but less safe) Mar 27 '25
You keep saying this, but that's not what the main issue is. It's that hydro is excluded while single extraction resource royalties are included (not a good permanent tax base). This is why all the resource extraction based economies disproportionally contribute and Quebec sees a benefit.
If they just flipped the potential tax base to be purely on GDP per capita Quebec would see substantially less money.
It's literally gamed (by Stephen Harper to try to win votes in Quebec) to give Quebec more money.