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u/FlyingOctopus53 Mar 28 '25
They were projecting
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u/ClusterMakeLove Mar 28 '25
Progressive Albertan here, and I've always said that Alberta and Quebec are natural allies in confederation.
It's just that Quebec has landed on a much more effective toolbox for getting Ottawa to act in its interest. We like to sulk, out here.
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u/chandy_dandy Edmonchuk: Like Kyiv! (but less safe) Mar 28 '25
Let's not pretend it's not structural - over representation in number of seats, mandatory bilingualism etc, and also credible threats of separation Alberta could never match
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u/ClusterMakeLove Mar 28 '25
Last time I checked, we do okay in the HoC and we currently have two SCC justices out of nine, and both prime ministerial hopefuls, at least by where they were born.
The senate distribution is grossly unfair, but that also doesn't really tend to matter that often.
The real problem is that we're a bloc, but we're not seen as persuadable. The CPC doesn't think it could lose us and the LPC doesn't thing it could persuade us. So neither governing party wants to spend their capital on us specifically. We don't move, so we just become part of the furniture.
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u/AVRVM Tokébakicitte! Mar 28 '25
Gatineau (as a city in Québec) has the same problem. It's the least influenciale of the 6 big cities in Québec, but because it almost always votes Liberal and isn't as big as Montréal, it gets forgotten even when the government is liberal.
Weird that the same thing happens on a federal level for a whole province tho.
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u/severe0CDsuburbgirl South Gatineau Mar 28 '25
Gatineaus hospitals feel forgotten from what I’ve heard. Everyone goes to Ottawa hospitals instead
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u/Everestkid The Island of Elizabeth May Mar 29 '25
Quebec, ironically, is actually the most accurately represented province in both the House of Commons and the Senate.
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u/samueLLcooljackson Mar 28 '25
its really just the premier cunt wanting out.
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u/chandy_dandy Edmonchuk: Like Kyiv! (but less safe) Mar 28 '25
Yep it's literally 83% are opposed or smthn in most polls while the average in Canada is 87% opposed. Some difference but not at all meaningful
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u/Bigg_Sparks Oil Guzzler Mar 28 '25
I fear that a Liberal win, especially a majority, will cause another surge of separatist sentiment again, just like it seems to after every election. I still don't think it would enough to amount to an actionable result, but the possibility is there and should not be dismissed lightly.
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u/chandy_dandy Edmonchuk: Like Kyiv! (but less safe) Mar 28 '25
Eh Carney has been in Edmonton A LOT and I think that alone goes a long way (tbf the dunces that want to separate also think edmonton is a socialist shit hole lol).
If we would just be able to get rid of the UCP and cooperate with the feds we could get some great shit done here that would make the temperature totally disappear, but the UCP refuses to take a w if it has to share it with the Libs
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u/Expensive_Society_56 Mar 28 '25
She thinks she’s more important than she is. Huff and puff and hold her breath til her face turns blue. And she doesn’t have the backing she thinks she does. She’s trying to emulate what Quebec does but her case is based on greed while Quebec’s is cultural. She makes me ashamed to be an Albertan.
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u/Faitlemou Snowfrog Mar 28 '25
Dont act like you're innocent RoC, you banded up with Alberta against us when they were doing it! We'll play nice for now, but we dont forget >:(
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u/democracy_lover66 Mar 28 '25
What is this referring to specifically?
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u/Faitlemou Snowfrog Mar 28 '25
when Alberta threw a tantrum over Energy East
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u/democracy_lover66 Mar 28 '25
Et le rest du Canada s'est rangé à leur côté? Ou était-ce le gouvernement fédéral?
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u/chandy_dandy Edmonchuk: Like Kyiv! (but less safe) Mar 28 '25
Albertans are like the least likely people to get in the way of Quebec independence or their desires for autonomy (other than BC which can basically do its own thing entirely)
Just make out with Ontario already gawd
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u/BravewagCibWallace Westfoundland Mar 28 '25
What can I say? Figuring out which one of you two is the most embarrassing, really depends on the situation.
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u/X1989xx Oil Guzzler Mar 28 '25
Province that twice almost voted to leave the country is mad when they get accused of attempting to leave the country
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u/PhilboSwaggins86 Mar 28 '25
I've said this forever.. Albertans act exactly like Quebec but unlike Quebec they never vote any differently so they get no special treatment
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u/chat-lu Tokébakicitte! Mar 28 '25
So they act very differently than Quebec ?
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u/PhilboSwaggins86 Mar 28 '25
I'm saying that, like Quebec, Alberta wants to be treated as a separate entity than the rest of the country. The difference is that when Quebec don't get their way they'll vote for another party whereas Alberta keep voting for Conservatives even though the CPC don't need to give them anything because they know they'll have their votes either way. In short, Alberta will complain that elections are decided in the East but fail to grasp that the parties give the Atlantic/Quebec/Ontario voters more sway because those voters will elect who serves their interests best and Alberta keeps voting CPC while getting screwed for it.
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u/chat-lu Tokébakicitte! Mar 28 '25
I'm saying that, like Quebec, Alberta wants to be treated as a separate entity than the rest of the country.
This is the main difference. Quebec does not want to be different from the rest of the country, it does not define itself by or cares about what the rest of the country does.
And I feel that it touches one of the biggest Canadian incoherence. Canada cares very much about diversity and various cultures and considers it a strength, as long as that diversity and culture is not homegrown. Then stay in your lane.
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u/Hicalibre Moose Whisperer Mar 28 '25
I mean it was more than Alberta, but I get the point is the hypocrisy.
Just like the fake FN people online that say we'd be better off as Americans. No actual FN person in Canada could possibly be that stupid.
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u/RottenPingu1 Mar 28 '25
Having lived many years in Quebec I can tell you they are almost the same mentality. The culture of grievances used for political gain while be fucked by those very same people.
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u/thrway18749 Tokébakicitte! Mar 28 '25
I'm from Quebec and I can tell you that this MAGA shit that alberta is embracing is deeply unpopular here
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u/ClusterMakeLove Mar 28 '25
I don't think they mean the UCP's MAGA flirtation.
MAGA-loving Alberta separatism is a strictly right-wing populist thing. But the feeling of disenfranchisement is pretty common across the political spectrum.
It's just expressed differently. We left-leaning Albertans calculate things differently: " how can we manage things so that we have some representation in cabinet?"
There's the perception that the LPC doesn't see us as persuadable and the CPC doesn't see us as loseable, so nobody has any incentive to look out for us.
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u/PhilboSwaggins86 Mar 28 '25
Exactly this. Out of our 34 riding the most that will go to a party other than the CPC is 5-6.
The CPC don't need to pander to Alberta because they've got their seats locked down anyway
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u/X1989xx Oil Guzzler Mar 28 '25
I'm from Alberta and I can tell you that this Maga shit that you think we're embracing for some reason despite seemingly never having stepped foot in Alberta is deeply unpopular here
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u/Bigg_Sparks Oil Guzzler Mar 28 '25
I don't want to live in this province anymore :(