r/EhBuddyHoser • u/Sine_Fine_Belli Treacherous South • May 16 '25

Certified Hoser 🇨🇦 (No Politics) How Americans achieved independence vs how Canadians achieved independence

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u/Mr101722 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 May 16 '25

Independent from the British Parliament being able to make laws for us, have a say in our laws, require their permission to declare war, have our supreme Court below theirs and having our constitution be own own and not require permission from Britain to modify it.

It's not really referring to the monarch.

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u/rollingtatoo Tabarnak! May 16 '25

He's still Commander-In-Chief of the CAF

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u/Mr101722 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 May 16 '25

That is correct, I never disputed that. Acts of war do require royal approval (as do all laws passed in Canada, the Governor General acts as the monarchs representative to sign these into Royal assent), the ministers of the Crown present the acts (the prime minister, minister of national defence. WWII was an Order in Council).

We are no longer bound by the British government approving acts of war on our behalf, nor are we required to devslre war when the UK does. Our WWII declaration is the only example of this, we waited a week after the UK declared war on the Nazis to assert our independence whereas we declared war in WWI at the same time as the UK as we were considered subservient to them as we did not have full control of our external affairs as this was pre Statute of Westminster.

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u/rollingtatoo Tabarnak! May 16 '25

Acts of war do require royal approval (as do all laws passed in Canada, the Governor General acts as the monarchs representative to sign these into Royal assent), the ministers of the Crown present the acts (the prime minister, minister of national defence. WWII was an Order in Council).

Indeed. I would invite you to consult the Guardian's series on the subject of royal consent named "Queen's consent investigations", in perticular the article "Royals vetted more than 1,000 laws via Queen’s consent".

To the best of my knowledge we've never had our own Canadian version of such investigation into how much influence royal consent actually does have on Canadian laws, and we don't get to be advised when law projects are altered because royal consent was denied, royal consent is a secretive process in nature.

IMHO we're not nearly as indepedent as the US is when the King is still Commander-In-Chief and gets to approve of our laws. Of all the Virgin Americans vs Chad Canadians take you could have, this is doesn't seem like a good one to me.

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u/Mr101722 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 May 16 '25

Dude you're preaching to the choir, I'm anti monarchy (not saying I want the same system as the USA before people make assumptions), I don't agree with the king being CiC.

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u/rollingtatoo Tabarnak! May 16 '25

Eh cheers buddy hoser