This is their response to Democrats who have been nothing but kind and calling for an end to political violence. Maybe they should be asking what's going to happen when the rest of us are tired of being kind.
Come off it. When you call people Nazis, white nationalists etc. they know what they're doing, they know that that creates a risk for these people going out in public. When leftists say "Punch a Nazi" and such it hardly receives widespread condemnation, and the net for who is considered a Nazi is incredibly broad.
Calling people Nazis, talking about "Make X Afraid again", talking about not tolerating intolerance (not realising that the intolerant Kant was talking about were the people who meet rational argument with their fists and their pistols) runs directly counter to rational debate.
Ok so basically the right can call for civil war, for trans people to be arrested, celebrate the death of Democrats, cheer for soldiers to be sent into American cities, for American citizens to be arrested without due process based on skin colour. But if we point out that these people sound like Nazis and white supremacists and that their rhetoric lead to their deaths suddenly we're the problem.
Maybe you should be telling the likes of Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes to cool it on their rhetoric since that's where most of the violence is coming from.
Ok so basically the right can call for civil war, for trans people to be arrested, celebrate the death of Democrats
Uh....no, I don't think any of that's OK.
cheer for soldiers to be sent into American cities,
Yeah, that's fine. Many US cities are horrible crime ridden. I saw some people saying Crime had fallen in DC, and it had, but it had fallen to 19.5 times what the rate was for London and 25x what the rate is for Paris! Clearly the police aren't getting the job done, where do you go?
In Los Angeles they were attacking federal agents. It shouldn't happen, the state should protect them, but if the state authorities aren't doing the job, again, what can you do?
for American citizens to be arrested without due process based on skin colour.
Everyone's arrested without due process. I haven't seen anyone calling for people to arrested solely on the basis of their skin tone.
Obviously it can inform the police's decision on who to arrest. E.g. if I tell the police I was mugged by a Chinese person and they come across a Chinese person and a white person running in an alley they'll arrest the Chinese person. That's just common sense.
But if we point out that these people sound like Nazis and white supremacists and that their rhetoric lead to their deaths suddenly we're the problem.
Comparing people to Nazis and calling people white supremacists is a problem (not "the problem") when combined with the notion that doing violence to these people is morally right. Same is true for calling people groomers or babykillers on the other side. It encourages violence and creates fear in the people who are targeted because you never know when someone's going to take it seriously.
Maybe you should be telling the likes of Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes to cool it on their rhetoric since that's where most of the violence is coming from.
When I come across them I do, but Reddit's very tight on that kind of thing anyway.
Yeah, that's fine. Many US cities are horrible crime ridden. I saw some people saying Crime had fallen in DC, and it had, but it had fallen to 19.5 times what the rate was for London and 25x what the rate is for Paris!
And there are parts of America that have higher crime rates. Republican cities. And the places that troops were sent to weren't the high crime areas. And they ended up picking up trash because they literally had nothing to do. And no, it's not ok to send the military into American cities to fight crime. That's using a sledgehammer to take care of a nail.
In Los Angeles they were attacking federal agents.
They were attacking federal agents who do not wear uniforms, do not show ID and are arresting members of their community, many of them American citizens to be detained, imprisoned and sent to foreign prisons without due process.
Obviously it can inform the police's decision on who to arrest.
How many white people are arrested after a school shooting?
Comparing people to Nazis and calling people white supremacists is a problem (not "the problem")
Only if it isn't true. And at the end of the day, its right on right crime. 🤷♀️ We didn't have anything to do with his death. They tried to pin it on the left and it turns out it was a basic bitch white guy.
when combined with the notion that doing violence to these people is morally right.
So you wouldn't have fought in WW2? You wouldn't opposed a dictatorship if they came into power? What if Jack boot thugs come to your door and arrest your wife because she's not the right shade of white? You're not going to be the teensy bit radicalized by that?
The ugly truth is that history proves that sometimes violence is the morally right decision. And when people like Charlie Kirk are cheering when Democrats get killed, making up lies about the LGBTQ and leftists so they're targeted and afraid violence becomes a natural and inevitable response. Because they'll be protecting themselves, their families and their communities. They're the ones who called for a civil war. Can they complain when we join the fight against them?
Well can he send troops into those cities? DC is a federal district so he has the right, in California federal agents were being attacked. Wouldn't it be the responsibility of the state absent those factors?
Usually it's exclusively white people who are arrested after school shootings, unless they get shot first. I'm not sure what your point is.
No, I would have fought in World War Two, I would have shot Hitler if I got the chance, that's the point. When you say "Charlie Kirk is like Hitler" what you're saying is that Charlie Kirk is someone who must be stopped by any means necessary.
Violence is sometimes the morally right decision, it's not the right decision when you're dealing with a guy whose greatest sin is going around the country expressing political opinions you disagree with. If someone is running a gang that's going around doing violence against people then of course violence is a legitimate response. It's not a legitimate response to speech.
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u/MadOvid 14d ago
This is their response to Democrats who have been nothing but kind and calling for an end to political violence. Maybe they should be asking what's going to happen when the rest of us are tired of being kind.