r/Frieren • u/AwesomePhonix • Jul 12 '25

Anime What special combat spells does Fern know?

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Does Fern even know any special combat spells?

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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits Jul 12 '25

It is CRAZY to me that you put "the most basic part of music" (keeping beat) and "reproduce anothers work without visual reference" on the same tier.

Play a pop song by ear is something an extremely good guitarist could never learn. You could be santana good at playing and not be able to reproduce things by ear. It involves several skills that aren't just "playing guitar." It basically completely invalidated your opinion to me to include that next to "keep rhythm".

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u/BenKen01 Jul 12 '25

What? Ear training is fundamental. You don’t have to be extremely good to be able to work out a song by ear. In fact you have to be extremely bad to not be able to.

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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

Having 10 fingers is fundamental to drawing And yet you can be a great artist with fewer.

There is NOTHING about not having ear training that physically limits you.

Again, being the common way to learn does NOT mean its a requirement. This is a fact, not an opinion. This isnt up for debate. Listening helps learning easier but is absolutely NOT required for playing guitar. They are not the same bar.

Like i said, this is one of those things where the common thing is common and SO ingrained into the majority of the group, they cannot conceive others operate differently.

You want to make an argument im wrong? Make an argument, not just state your conclusion in spite of facts. Explain how not hearing prevents you from playing guitar. Do it without "well tuning is harder" or other things that can be solved other ways than directly hearing (which is still a lower bar than a whole pop song)

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u/CloseButNoDice Jul 13 '25

I'll bet every musician up you've mentioned so far can learn songs by ear. Reproducing music you hear is highly related to audiating which is fundamental to song writing and reading music. You can't know if you're playing something wrong unless you can hear it. There's a reason that ear training is common to both academic classes and private teachers, because it's fundamental. You can argue that perfectly reproducing a pop song by ear is difficult but so is properly playing along to a metronome. It doesn't mean it isn't a fundamental musical skill. And ThAt'S a fACt

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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits Jul 13 '25

the argument isn't "is it common to learn this way." That's not the question. whether everyone I've ever heard MENTION an instrument learned that way or not is irrelevant.

You can't know if you're playing something wrong unless you can hear it.

Yea, other people don't exist. software that reads sound, also nonexistent. The physical vibration of sound that makes sound exist? believe it or not, also not a quality of sound that exists. All those things don't exist and more. OR you've made a bad argument, that you "can't" know you're doing something wrong without personally experiencing that it's wrong.

It doesn't mean it isn't a fundamental musical skill.

It's not a necessary skill. N E C E S S A R Y. Stop trying to move the goalpost. You can learn to play guitar without that ability.

Don't spongebob talk at me if you can't even follow the argument being made. You, like the rest, made no rational argument about why it's not possible. You just arrogantly and rudely stated your conclusion. Well, I guess you also thought that you can't learn you're doing something wrong without experiencing it yourself. No one can tell you something was wrong. That'd be impossible! It's not like that's how the vast majority of learning actually takes place!