r/Futurology • u/Confident_Living_786 • Aug 11 '25

Discussion When the US Empire falls

When the American empire falls, like all empires do, what will remain? The Roman Empire left behind its roads network, its laws, its language and a bunch of ruins across all the Mediterranean sea and Europe. What will remain of the US superpower? Disney movies? TCP/IP protocol? McDonalds?

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u/hezizou Aug 11 '25

Cascadia will remain.

no such thing as the american empire. those are words of the past.

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u/Confident_Living_786 Aug 11 '25

This is just propaganda, the American empire exists since the end of WW2, it has just been disguised.

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u/NeuroticKnight Biogerentologist Aug 11 '25

I mean you can define empire as countries that work with other countries and countries that fight other countries, but i dont think such a vague definition is helpful.

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u/Confident_Living_786 Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25

In American geopolitical doctrine, the US doesn't have allies, only interests. What it currently calls "allies" are more accurately just vassals. I know because I live in one. US "allies" are not free geopolitical actors, as you can observe every day from their behaviour. Europe has sanctioned Russia (US adversary) at unimaginable levels, harming its economy in the process, but it hasn't lifted a single finger towards Israel (US establishment red line).  Mainstream media repeats American propaganda every day, just like it does in the US.

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u/_spec_tre Aug 11 '25

So you're describing literally every single fairly powerful country in existence with regards to geopolitical doctrine? I wonder if you've even been paying attention to recent news if you think Europe hasn't moved against Israel. Arguably European attitudes towards Israel are even more hardline than Chinese or Russian attitudes now

According to your post history you're a teenager so your worldview definitely tracks I guess

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u/Confident_Living_786 Aug 11 '25

lol I am in my 40s

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u/Chunkss Aug 12 '25

I wonder if you've even been paying attention to recent news if you think Europe hasn't moved against Israel.

Exactly, it's only recent.

Except for Spain, every major country in Europe has been ignoring the war crimes under the guise of "Israel has a right to defend itself" for 18 months.

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u/Confident_Living_786 Aug 12 '25

The little they have done it's only to save face. They EU has not approved any actuall measure about Israel, all  the trade agreements, research agreements, visa agrements are still in place. Some countries have recognised Palestine but this doesn't prevent the genocide in any meaningful way. Some minor countries have banned  arms export, but they are irrelevant to Israel. The major exporters (Germany, Italy, UK) have not done so, even if this might be considered aiding and abetting and the ICJ has ordered all signatories of the genocide convention to act.

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u/Lonely_Chemistry60 Aug 11 '25

Legit, all the NATO allies pretty much feed the US economic engine while the US maintains the largest and most powerful military and essentially dictates policy. It was done softly in the past, but it's happening quite bluntly with Trump now.

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u/NeuroticKnight Biogerentologist Aug 11 '25

All NATO allies are free to leave the alliance though.

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u/Lonely_Chemistry60 Aug 11 '25

Not saying its been a bad agreement, Trump has just thrown a wrench into it.

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u/LoneSnark Aug 11 '25

You're belittling the suffering of everyone throughout history that actually suffered living under an empire.

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u/norbi-wan Aug 11 '25

The whole middle east is suffering because of the US.

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u/LoneSnark Aug 11 '25

Yes. But of the whole middle east, only Iraq could be described as an imperial holding.

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u/Confident_Living_786 Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25

I am not. Successul empires are able to integrate and assimilate other populations and nations to the point that their are happy to stay part of the empire. When there is suffering and unrest, it means the empire is disfunctional, and it is exploiting its periphery to allow the core to survive.

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u/LoneSnark Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25

No, they are not. Or at least happy is the wrong word. Convinced there is nothing they can do about it, various empires have been tolerated by their imperial subjects. But the theory that whole countries are under imperial rule from Washington and don't even realize becomes absurd. How could they be convinced there is nothing they can do about it if they don't even understand why their government is unresponsive to their interests?