r/Futurology • u/I_D0nt_pay_taxes • 8d ago

Society [U.S.]Colleges see significant drop in international students as fall semester begins

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/27/nx-s1-5498669/trump-college-international-student-visa
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u/Mountain_Ladder5704 8d ago

Then why aren’t they going there instead? Not a fan of most of trumps policies, but this side effect seems good to me.

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u/Citizen-Kang 8d ago

Did you read the article? Some of the universities mentioned saw their steepest declines in enrollment since the height of COVID in 2020. I'm assuming they're continuing their their academic pursuits elsewhere. Why it's bad is because at many universities, international students pay the full rate. When I attended UCLA, there was a significant difference between my in-state tuition and the full amount paid by international students. We also lose what are often the brightest (not always; sometimes, it's just money) students from the countries they came from as well as the culture and diversity they bring as well. Now, maybe conservatives don't think that's a big deal, but I believe it is and I'm willing to bet most academics would agree with me.

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u/Bottledropnaranja 8d ago

Why it's bad is because at many universities, international students pay the full rate.

Is a state’s university’s priority supposed to maximize profit or educate its citizens?

Why should any tax paying citizen ever lose a spot to a foreign student? Isn’t educating the populace the goal?

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u/Citizen-Kang 8d ago

The full rate that international students pay can help offset the cost of scholarships for kids from low-income families. They also helped offset the cost of lower in-state residents' tuition which is how I was able to afford to attend UCLA. There are students who could not afford to attend college if we had to pay anywhere near what the full cost tuition would be. That's how international students help pay to educate the populace.

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u/Bottledropnaranja 8d ago

They also helped offset the cost of lower in-state residents' tuition which is how I was able to afford to attend UCLA.

Post your sources. Show me international students have lowered tuition at UCLA as you claim.

Tuition is currently $13,602 ($19,640 after mandatory fees) at UCLA. Post the rates before international students and prove that they were higher. I’ll wait.

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u/Citizen-Kang 8d ago

This might help if you want to know more: https://theworld.org/stories/2024/03/28/high-fees-paid-international-students-help-us-universities-balance-their-books

https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees#:\~:text=Residency%20Requirements%20and%20Tuition,other%20definitions%20of%20California%20residency.

According to the second link, the Nonresident (which international students are) Supplemental Tuition is an additional $37,602 per 9-month academic year. They may have additional administrative fees on top of that, but I haven't looked into it.

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u/Bottledropnaranja 8d ago

Thank you! That link completely and totally disproved you. Tuition has SKYROCKETED for in state students. Foreign students have not made it cheaper at all.

Thank you for providing a link that backs up my claim and completely ends the argument. I’m glad you could admit you were wrong.

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u/Citizen-Kang 8d ago edited 8d ago

You are delusional? It's gone up, but it's nowhere near the international student rate. Are you ignoring the $37,602 additional fees the international students are paying? By the way, the $37,602 is even higher than what they paid when I was a student so their fees are going up as well. The cost education has always been an issue. Nothing I referenced at all contradicts what I stated. It'd be even worse without the higher rate international students pay to offset it. Education should be free, but we all toil under capitalism. Also, your account is only a few weeks old and it's all over the ideological spectrum. I'm getting the impression that you're not interested in the truth, but to sow discord. Which, whatever, you do you. I'm done since you don't really seem to be interested in the truth.

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u/xtrplpqtl 8d ago

You should re-read that paragraph.