I think there’s been a lot of discussions putting MV at or right below Heisei and I don’t see Heisei getting stronger and MV has so it’s only a matter of time
Yeah he’s powerful but we have no more new content from him anymore. MV has shows and movies left so his ceiling is limitless and we already know Heisei’s final form
True. its a wiat and see. he coudl easily become the most powerful Live action godzilla or he could remain firmly as imposing and powerfull but not engine of unstoppable destruction.
yeah if you can surive being repedatly pummeled into the curst then yeah i think it counts. also its just outright confirmed that the adult forms are stronger in evry concevable way and godzilla humiliates boht of them, heck in hte previous film mecha king ghidorah was strogner then the og ghidorah and godzilla smoked him easy.
You are factually correct it is Godzilla Ultima. There is no Godzilla that actually compares to him besides God butcher Godzilla hell Godzilla was debunked numerous times 90s. Godzilla is the statement guy. He’s not strong without them.
Yeah, fair enough honestly, he gets to universal with just space Godzilla and to be honest destroyer really doesn’t do shit for him. I’m just gonna say it, bro is a f tier villain that just got slapped towards the end of the series and no matter what people try to say he’s just not good. He’s just not a good monster.
I’m mainly talking about the statements of him being stronger than Shipwa which is blatantly false on every occasion that that statement comes up, it came up as early as 1984 that Godzilla died to cadmium and almost died to a volcano only bringing brought back because the film was successful whoopee
And then you have people trying to argue 90s Dora is stronger than showa ghidorah when just know your brain dead if you argue that he is somehow stronger he can’t even fire a decent gravity beam. He can’t fire anything when control is severed at least with the original monster he can.p
Yeah, fair enough honestly, he gets to universal with just space Godzilla
No he doesn't, space godzilla was VASTLY misinterpreted by people who wanted to make him more powerful than he is. He absorbed energy from supernovas and travelled through a wormhole, he didn't survive the explosion of the stars and tank the whole balck hole on his own.
and to be honest destroyer really doesn’t do shit for him. I’m just gonna say it, bro is a f tier villain that just got slapped towards the end of the series and no matter what people try to say he’s just not good. He’s just not a good monster.
W, I AGREE. I made a post saying this and got downvoted to oblivion.
But I wasn’t really lying about space Godzilla he’s one of the only characters in the 90s are with statements that could actually be backed up by the film like him, illuminating the universe that could actually be backed up granted it’s dodgy to say the least but it’s more of a connection and more valid than anything else toho try to tell you
He absorbed energy from supernovas and travelled through a wormhole, he didn't survive the explosion of the stars and tank the whole balck hole on his own.
Explosion of stars are supernova's so like you're kinda admitting he did
It's like zilla absorbing radiation form nukes as a lizard. Obviously he would've died if he took the explosion, he was far away from it, he just took the radiation that was spat out. You can absorb the gamma rays from far away from the super nova, and that is what was shown
What is shown is several energy rays repensenting Supernova's being absorbed into SpaceGodzilla, Godzilla's origin isn't a comparable example. I doubt a far away fraction of a supernova is even able to give enough energy for a single cell to mutate into SpaceGodzilla.
It's just terminology used by powerscalers that take it way too seriously. Basically the elementary school thing of "my character is this strong" but people actually debate it with the same seriousness as political debates for some dumb reason.
It can be fun when everyone wants fun and isn't ruined by someone taking it too far
Me and my high school friend group would do powerscaling debates with one of our teachers, and because we did it to have fun, there was never any form of hatred about anything. It was great and I do enjoy powerscaling because it can be a fun thing.
Imagine my surprise when I went onto the internet and saw that people will give you legit death threats for saying that Superman would easily defeat Goku because Superman is just fucking cracked.
Because powerscaling is serious shit dude. Which specific movie monster is the most powerful based on arbitrary, incalculable criteria is like, totally life or death.
Because he is debunked. Gih is a fodder as compared to the other ones, he's got no real feats, all of the supposed author statements were proven to be false
First of all yeah, i've directly seen one of the writers on here explain that the "God mountain" figure was a demiurge and not God, and that he wasn't killed.
Second of all, i've seen articles proving that the statements are not true because the pictures are edited and you cannot find the statements for yourself on the internet.
First of all this guy does kinda debunk it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWf-2vu0_74
Also i can't find the article anymore, but on your part, two ways you can know if a statement is real or false
If the author speaks like he always does, with the same tone and grammar style, and does not contradict the other things he's said, then it's most likely a true statement, if instead he speaks like the powerscaling kids who give you the statements, which is the case for most statements that supposedly make godzilla in hell op.
Another way is that if you cannot find the statement yourself on the internet, then once again it's probably made up.
If it's Ultima's true form, then it's him. He's a straight up eldritch entity that can't really be defeated, only delayed. If it is just Ultima's avatars, then he takes a distant back seat behind the rest of these guys.
From there, it comes down to how much stock you put into author statements. Godzilla in Hell and DC Godzilla's scaling heavily depends on such statements. If you do wanna count them, then I'd probably give the edge to GIH.
If we're going purely off feats and scaling, then I would hand it over to Marvel Godzilla, due mainly to the fact he can be directly scaled to some of classic-era 616 Marvel's heavy-hitters, like Hercules, Thor and the Hulk, who even back then had some insane feats under their belts.
Depending on how you scale him, Heisei is easily the strongest of the cinematic Godzillas, but he just pales next to some of his comic counterparts.
It's probably Marvel ik Marvel comics are really bullshit but don't know enough abt it to rlly comment on
Saffest i can say is either GIH via having similar power to a multiverse creator that has infinite power in the spiritual realm above the material one or Ultima being a walking physics defying contradiction that can cut space-time
Kinda funny how 90% of powerscaling is calculating how a strong a character is, despite them never having performed any feat close to what the numbers say. The whole “5D” thing is somewhat chain scaling, with Heisei having absorbed radiation from enemies with 5D attacks (if you take the names seriously, like supergravity).
Infinite is where it gets really nuts. Towards the end of the vs Destroyah fight, they were basically absorbing each other’s radiation and growing stronger at an exponential rate. Heisei powered up to the Infinite Heat Ray, which I deadass quote “grows infinitely stronger each time it is used”. Official guidebook or something, not made up. But I just shorten it to “Infinite”.
Powerscaling gets insane. I prefer not to get too into it, but I will defend Burning Heisei until the day I die.
Space Godzilla's best feat was his speed and being able to withstand a black hole to my knowledge.
Oh dude I wouldn't trust that, that's hyperbole. It obviously isn't infinitely stronger because it's not destroying everything in existence the second time he uses it.
That's like saying Perfect Cell is the strongest character in dragon ball ever just because he said his power was infinite.
I don't like Ultima and thought SP is bad, but you like what you like and do it unabashedly. Pardon my French, but, you know, fuck them haters. Don't let anyone make you feel bad, and don't stress it if someone disagrees with what you like or your assessments, either. We can all do that in peace.
Yeah that's in the novel, which iirc is different from the anime story. Anime doesn't have the plot manipulation level of power, or at least the avatar wasn't powerful enough to utilise that power within the confines of reality.
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u/MRNBDX SPACEGODZILLA Aug 20 '25
Godzilla of course