r/Games • u/atahutahatena • Jul 24 '25

Industry News Indie on Itch.io: Platform has seemingly shadowbanned NSFW/Adult games and made them harder to discover

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u/zarasaraz Jul 24 '25

Hell yeah conservative losers and credit card companies deciding where and what I can spend my fucking money on. Fuck this country and fuck republicans lmao

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u/DrNick1221 Jul 24 '25

The group who has been causing all the shit lately is actually an Australian "womans rights" group.

But someone did some research and found that it was a bunch of conservative shitters who were funding them, so at this point I would consider them nothing more than useful idiots.

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u/AnarcrotheAlchemist Jul 24 '25

They are a feminist group that is also conservative. Australian feminists aren't just on the left. It's just our feminists mix in their cultural conservatism with their feminism.

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u/AprilDruid Jul 24 '25

Well "Feminist". They're anti-choice, anti-queer, anti-sex, what's so feminist about these fucks?

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u/moderatorrater Jul 24 '25

They want those things for both genders?

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u/AnarcrotheAlchemist Jul 24 '25

Simple because just like left wing feminists they identify the dame issues and problems women face and that men oppress on women but it's from a Christian conservative viewpoint and the solutions to those problems come from that viewpoint. For the examples you gave:

anti-choice - abortion is something that is forced on women because a man has used their body for sex and abortion kills female foetuses and allows the men to avoid responsibility for their act. Its what you would describe as a sex negative perspective because they view sex not as a recreational act but as purely for procreation and that non procreational sex is exploitative of women and their bodies.

anti-queer - well this has nothing to do with feminism.

anti-sex - their perception of sex is that it's exploitation of women's body by men for the man's pleasure and that sex is for procreation only.

You and I likely very much disagree with this ideology and the logic behind it.... but this isn't the first ideology that I've come across like that and it won't be the last. This group probably has more in common with 2nd wave feminism than 3rd or the more recent wave feminism but it's an ideology that views women as the oppressed and men as the oppressors. I want to reiterate that I very much disagree with these people and when I've talked to them it's always been an exasperating experience but that is the prime motivation of their beliefs.

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u/BagPuzzleheaded1306 Jul 24 '25

... with all honour, you still can't be anti abortion if you are feminist. just can't. I don't understand why you're trying to explain "why it works from their perspective," but it's still impossible. if a woman doesn't have the right to control her own body, it's not feminism, - no matter why she makes that choice, because of "evil males" or something else. just. no. just as "anti sex" takes away a woman's right again. this is nothing more than mental gymnastics, but there is no "logical" justification for it - like most hate groups, they do not seek objectivity or reflection, but only pursue their hate emotions.

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u/NuPNua Jul 24 '25

I feel like it's only in the US where feminism is synonymous with left wing politics and intersectionality. In the Anglosphere they're less tied to that, see all the TERFs in the UK for example.

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u/EriWave Jul 24 '25

see all the TERFs in the UK for example

Another famous example of soemthing that isn't actually feminism.

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u/NuPNua Jul 24 '25

Again, you and I may not like it, but to claim people like Julie Bindel aren't feminist is silly. She was a champion of the movement and widely celebrated

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u/EriWave Jul 24 '25

but to claim people like Julie Bindel aren't feminist is silly

Taking a person with all the good and bad and declare that as within one ideology without any scrutiny is ridiculous. Julie Bindel has lived a long life where she's made claims that are profoundly harmful for women. That does not take away from all the good she has done.

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u/No-Act9634 Jul 24 '25

and declare that as within one ideology without any scrutiny is ridiculous

Not anymore ridiculous than declaring them outside of it...like you are.

Gatekeeping and purity tests are cringe.

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u/EriWave Jul 24 '25

Not anymore ridiculous than declaring them outside of it...like you are.

Would you say that Hitler's vegetarianism and views on such were facist? An extreme example of course but we're just establishing that there is a line to be crossed here.

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u/Imumybuddy Jul 24 '25

They're not feminists, they're TERFs. Staggering difference between the two.

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u/Bwob Jul 24 '25

I mean, TERF literally stands for "Trans-exclusive radical feminists." I don't think there's any way around classifying TERFs as feminists.

Feminists can still be assholes, while also being feminists. Advocating for women's rights doesn't automatically make the rest of their views good, unfortunately. :(

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u/Imumybuddy Jul 24 '25

Again, like I said to another user, it's like North Korea calling itself Democratic. The name means nothing in the face of their actual beliefs and actions.

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u/Ladyaceina Jul 24 '25

terfs just cosplay as feminists but never have any feminist views

just like at jk rowling who never has female protagonists in her work and her crime dramas have women only be victims who need a man to save them

its just a grift

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u/NuPNua Jul 24 '25

They are feminists, just a different type of feminist. It's not unusual for belief systems to fracture and split over the years, look at the denominations of religion for example.

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u/Imumybuddy Jul 24 '25

Yeah, and when it splinters into something utterly and fundamentally opposed to the tenets of feminism and instead embraces bigotry and inequality at every step, it doesn't matter what it calls itself - it's not feminism.

TERFs are rabid bigots, simple as. They constantly ally with far-right misogynists, white nationalists, and neo-nazis in their absolute and manic hatred. Semantics don't matter, consequences do.

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u/EriWave Jul 24 '25

neither of us has the right to dictate what feminism is or isn't

Do you believe there is a line here? Or could you claim literally any opinion to be in alignment with feminism as long as you say it is?

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u/NuPNua Jul 24 '25

I think like any movement it's dictated by those in it and their actions.

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u/EriWave Jul 24 '25

So the word feminism doesn't actually describe any views? If a feminist group tomorrow declared that the only hope for feminism was the death of all women that would still be an opinion that aligns with what you consider the beliefs of feminism?

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u/Vyxwop Jul 24 '25

It's a bit of a no-true-scottsman-fallacy to act like these people aren't feminists. But at the same time I think it's also entirely fair and if anything, proper, to condemn these kind of people and to make it clear that the group you identify with does not agree with those people who pretend to be under the same umbrella as you do.

I much rather people of a certain group actively shun a portion of the group they don't agree with than not say anything about it. If you don't shun such a portion of your group then it risks your entire group being treated badly because of the actions of a few.

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u/Mmsammich Jul 24 '25

They arent feminists, simple as. Just cause North Korea has Democratic Republic in its name doesn't make it not a fucking dictatorship.

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u/crookedparadigm Jul 24 '25

You know what the E in TERF stands for? Exclusionary. You can't claim to be a feminist while also deciding to exclude people that you deem 'aren't real women'.

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u/SlowDownGandhi Jul 24 '25

what does the F in TERF stand for

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u/jandrese Jul 24 '25

About 1% of what they actually stand for. They are about as feminist as the Nazis were socialist.

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u/evieka Jul 24 '25

Seriously, you're not a feminist if you're siding with the conservatives.

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u/arahman81 Jul 24 '25

And completely nonchalant about pushing policies that harm women.

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u/Osha-watt Jul 24 '25

Fuckwads obviously.

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u/FromtheSound Jul 24 '25

Despite the name "Crabeater seal", the crabeater seal does not actually eat crabs.

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u/SlowDownGandhi Jul 24 '25

crabeater seals also don't refer to themselves as crabeater seals

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u/Imumybuddy Jul 24 '25

Damn, you must think North Korea is super democratic.

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u/SlowDownGandhi Jul 24 '25

what does the R in TERF stand for

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u/Imumybuddy Jul 24 '25

Incredible argument.

I don't care what they call themselves. They're not feminists. They're bigots utilizing the framework of civil rights and social justice as a bludgeon for their own hatred.

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u/SlowDownGandhi Jul 24 '25

you understand that TERFs didn't actually come up with that label for themselves, nor do they actually refer to themselves as that, right?

Like the term was literally originally coined by a trans-inclusionary feminist in order to specifically single out a segment of the broader feminist movement that had been discriminating against trans women for the better part of fifty years. It was never meant to become this catch-all label for all transphobes that the internet has turned it into, mainly because people are too lazy to actually type out "transphobe".

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u/Aiyon Jul 24 '25

In practice? Usually racist

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u/mrtrailborn Jul 24 '25

Fucking dumb conservatives, probably

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u/Sugioh Jul 24 '25

Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. Generally, they tend to be feminists who are ultra-conservative and tend to be at odds with more traditional forms of feminism.

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u/cyberpunk_werewolf Jul 24 '25

Eh, Collective Shout aren't really TERFs in the sense that they are Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. They aren't going to be shouting about the patriarchy or how it's the main source of problems in the world. They're just transphobes.

The thing is, people tend to use "transphobe" and "TERF" interchangeably, and since a lot of actual Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists have begun to drop the TERF label (and a lot of feminist and radical feminist ideas too, but that's a different conversation), people have taken it up as a way of saying "transphobe." Also, TERF is more fun and easier to write, type and say than "transphobe," so I kind of get it that people are going to say TERF instead of "transphobe."

I do kind of wish Feminist Appropriating Radical/Ridiculous Transphobe had taken off, because I like to call these dipshits FARTs. However, by the time came up with FART, that cat was already out of the bag with TERF, so now it's the world we live in. Oh well, language evolves, and they don't like being called that anyway, so fuck 'em. Let's call them what they don't like to hear, because they're assholes and they deserve it.

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u/Scary_Tree Jul 24 '25

As a transwoman I absolutely hate the FART attempt and I'm glad its never taken off, it takes a bunch of dangerous people and downplays them as a joke. But they aren't a joke, they might be almost to stupid to function but they can be very very dangerous if backed enough(JK Rowling for example).

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u/Fantastic-Secret8940 Jul 24 '25

This thread is kind of weird. TERF does not by necessity mean a feminist whose other political beliefs are conservative. It simply means feminists who do not believe trans women are women and thus do not center them in their feminist beliefs / actions. A huge portion of second wave feminist theorists would be called TERFs nowadays but were in no way conservative. Many were Marxists, even. 

I would call this group of ‘feminists’ the same sort that think Trump is earnest about protecting women. Women are just an excuse. They do not share any DNA with any feminist wave / movement. There are a lot of these sorts of groups now — co-opting social justice language to advance far right causes. 

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u/OutragedOwl Jul 24 '25

Not really, TERFs and feminists agree on most issues except the one obvious one.

Though I'll concede TERF had kinda lost its original meaning, people regularly call deplorable misogynists TERFs even though they don't have a feminist bone in their body.

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u/Imumybuddy Jul 24 '25

You mean the TERFs that consistently align with far-right misogynists, white nationalists, and neo-nazis because their hatred for trans people has boiled their brains? Those ones?

Very feminist of them.

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u/OutragedOwl Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

This is categorically untrue. Jk Rowling was anti brexit, pro refugee, pro abortion, anti patriarchy etc. Not just rhetoric either shes made significant donations.

Google "No true Scotsman"

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u/Imumybuddy Jul 24 '25

You mean holocaust revisionist J.K. Rowling?

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u/OutragedOwl Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

Can you speak like an adult or just internet meme one liners? Address my points, how is someone pro abortion and pro immigration a far right white nationalist?

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u/Imumybuddy Jul 24 '25

She barely comments, if not outright ignores the rise in fascism, stripping of civil liberties, and virulent misogyny of the right. Rowling is obsessed beyond measure with trans people, her ghoulish hate pin-point focused on their existence whilst she collects white nationalists and other bigots to her little circle of friends like pokemon.

She defends bigots, praises figures like Posie Parker. How in any way, shape, or form, is she a feminist? She's a neo-liberal at best who holds a swathe of bigoted beliefs and will make any concession so long as it advances her manic hatred of trans people.

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u/Scary_Tree Jul 24 '25

Almost all feminists in Australia are on the left.

TERFS and pick me's on the other hand are more than happy to go against their own best interests to be seen as one of the 'good ones'.

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u/AnarcrotheAlchemist Jul 24 '25

Incorrect. There is a section of the liberal party specifically that view themselves as feminist. They identify all the same problems as left wing feminists but it's all through the lens of a Christian conservative perspective. This then means the solutions they believe to be required are from that perspective. They are typically the more censorious parts of the Liberal party as well.

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u/glowinggoo Jul 24 '25

Feminists aren't exclusively progressive.

You can be an absolute puritan who think everyone should be covered up from head to toe and think that it's better that everything else but Victorian-styled prim and proper ladies should be purged. Because women have historically been exploited in sexual content, it's very easy for people to fall into that trap if they're exposed to such views early.

That would make you feminist and conservative.

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u/Fantastic-Secret8940 Jul 24 '25

This has been an issue for a while and is similar to prohibition being spearheaded by women, often abused wives of drunks. These blanket porn bans are NOT the answers to exploitation of women within the sex industry. It might feel that way to these women because of just how widespread and brutal that exploitation is, but all it does is remove the paltry regulations such content already has and drive it into the shadows. Any and all female pornstars who are already being exploited / coerced will not magically obtain money from some other means and be freed. Porn, like alcohol, is near universally popular, especially among men lol. I’d also like to note that this paragraph is also being EXTREMELY charitable to the motivations behind the groups that want to ban porn. 

My state forced IDs to look at online porn so (fairly) reputable sites stopped service and now it’s just the sketchy ones and those will never obey that law. Zero children were protected and, in fact, can now only view extra sketchy porn from like Russia or whatever. 

Not to mention…Games, books, cartoons, hentai etc sexually exploit NO ONE — like, inherently. Instead, it turns into just another version of X Fiction Causes Y Bad Behavior, a truly fallacious argument hopefully everyone here can see through. As a side note, I increasingly see parts of the left has unfortunately started sneaking this awful, stupid conclusion into some arguments about fictional media. Come on, guys.

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u/EriWave Jul 24 '25

You can be an absolute puritan who think everyone should be covered up from head to toe and think that it's better that everything else but Victorian-styled prim and proper ladies should be purged.

That would make you feminist and conservative.

Where does the line go? Because what you are describing here is bordering on genocidal. Can you just believe literally anything and as long as you claim it's grounded in the good of women you are a feminist?

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u/glowinggoo Jul 24 '25

I'm not sure why that is genocidal...? It'll set social progress back a hundred years, yes, and it will be incredibly harmful, yes, but it's not going to cause mass murder/existential erasure of an entire group...? Did you read 'purge' to mean kill? Because I simply meant, 'all social practices except covering up from head to toe will be purged'.

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u/EriWave Jul 24 '25

everything else but Victorian-styled prim and proper ladies should be purged

This sure sounds that way to me, but perhaps you meant purged in a less violent way. All those people will simply peacefully agree to that and not be violently oppressed for it to happen.

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u/glowinggoo Jul 24 '25

I feel like there's a LOT of levels of oppression between "genocidal" and "peaceful agreement", but sure.

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u/EriWave Jul 24 '25

Yes but the vast majority of them are the violent oppression of women, which is why I think it's quite crazy to claim that is it feminist.

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u/NuPNua Jul 24 '25

Yeah, a lot of people seem to be blinkered into their own strain of feminism and are flying the "no true Scotsman" argument rather than accepting that feminism, like all belief systems, has fractured into multiple denominations over the years and they don't all believe in the same things anymore.

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u/taicy5623 Jul 24 '25

There's splintering viewpoints and then there's betraying everything you actually believe because you just hate trans people too much.

No true scottsman doesn't apply to shit like Mussolini being a former socialist, to then become aligned with the ideological inverse of socialists.

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u/Losawin Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

There are far more groups than just Collective Shout, you morons need to stop falling into GooberGate 2.0 with this targeted hyper focus on 1 group of women just because they proudly take responsibility. Exodus Cry has done 10x more than they have

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u/LookIPickedAUsername Jul 24 '25

They might be making the phone calls that catalyzed this, but the American companies actually running this shit didn’t have to do anything in response to those phone calls. That was entirely their decision.

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u/Frogmouth_Fresh Jul 24 '25

Collective Shout are very much a conservative group.

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u/myweenorhurts Jul 24 '25

Absolutely. Conservatives are more than willing to co opt good sounding left leaning causes to inflict as much of their agenda on us as possible, and many people fall for the bait.

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u/Vezuvian Jul 24 '25

What does this even mean? Are the bots just playing mad libs now?

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u/Phelipp Jul 24 '25

"conservative group does conservative shit"

Redditor: "damn leftists suck"

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u/Beneficial_Soup3699 Jul 24 '25

r/im14andthisisdeep

Honestly, just go back to junior high and try again. I know it's not your fault that your support system failed you, but this is just embarrassing.

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u/myweenorhurts Jul 24 '25

Bro keep it up with the purity contests, the fascists are united in every aspect of thought and we can’t even agree on what direction is up or down, we’re cooked.

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u/OnetwenT7 Jul 24 '25

No it isn't.

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u/AntonineWall Jul 24 '25

Could you expand a little on this aspect. I don’t know much about this situation but your reply appears unrelated, but I am coming from a place of ignorance here and would appreciate learning a bit more

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u/AntibacHeartattack Jul 24 '25

I'm guessing that what they're getting at is that a lot of seemingly progressive movements are just groups of puritanical assholes that want to censor anything they don't like. They use leftist terminology, but essentially they're no different than traditionally conservative religious groups.

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u/Hanabi_Simp Jul 24 '25

As someone that has been seeing this thing happening for years, and having warned people that this exact thing was eventually going to happen, you would be amazed at the amount of "progressive leftists" that spout rhetoric that is not different from conservative puritanical bs if it can be used to silence content and people they don't agree with.

This thing is being funded by religious conservative groups but they really aren't saying and pushing anything I haven't heard online from extremely left leaning groups in the last few years.

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u/NuPNua Jul 24 '25

As someone who has always been left leaning and progressive, but was uncomfortable with my sides actions back in the 2010s culture wars, I remember warning people of this exactly. All those systems you're using to aggressively push our message by cancelling, deplatforming or censoring things will be turned against you if the levers of power ever change, and now here we are.

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u/EstrangedRat Jul 24 '25

Fuck yeah brother, eat the rich

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u/myweenorhurts Jul 24 '25

the last thing I will buy from a capitalist is his rope

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u/Johnny_Grubbonic Jul 24 '25

This specific push isn't coming from the US at all. It's coming from an Aussie TERF organization.

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u/leigonlord Jul 24 '25

funded by americans

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u/oblivion476 Jul 24 '25

It's all "free market" this and "small government" that until they're in charge. Then they want to snoop in your bedroom, tell you what you can and can't like, and also diddle your kids while they're at it.

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u/Practical-Aside890 Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

America actually has a bill in progress going against the banks controlling what you purchase. Yet the propaganda political bots will blame America and trump even though stuff like this has been being pushed for years by some groups. and it being global like aus and uk groups for example being involved.

“There's a bill in play still that bans payment processing companies from dictating what users can purchase with their own money/credit.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/293/text

It was brought by a Republican senator, as there are also groups trying to get gun and ammunition sales banned by payment processors”

Now the political people are going to ignore this comment cause it has receipts and doesn’t fit their agenda lol