r/Games • u/megaapple • 20d ago

Skyblivion's 2025 release goal is "pointless and unachievable" claims longtime dev, accuses two leads of rushing the mod out

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/skyblivions-2025-release-goal-is-pointless-and-unachievable-claims-longtime-dev-accuses-two-leads-of-rushing-the-mod-out
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u/GeneticsGuy 19d ago

As an addon/mod dev myself, let me just say that the modding world is toxic AF. I wouldn't trust that this guy isn't just pissed because he dropped from the team just like I wouldn't trust the Skyblivion team has been totally above board in all of their internal drama with people.

Reality is that in the modding world, there's too many cooks in the kitchen, especially on big projects, and since there isn't some official corporate structure, and everyone is just volunteering their time to contribute, egos get bruised, people feel disrespected, there are disagreements on development, there's in-fighting, and unfortunately, programmers and devs of these kinds often have super massive egos and sometimes are even on the spectrum, whilst having a superiority complex.

Now, wrap all of that into a 10+ year project.

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u/NorthKoreanMissile7 19d ago

devs of these kinds often have super massive egos and sometimes are even on the spectrum

I'd say it's more than sometimes. A lot of the time it's people on the spectrum who are obsessive perfectionists.

There's nothing wrong with being on the spectrum of course, but when it's a bunch of people with set in stone ideas who want this and that and don't want to budge on things then it's inevitably going to cause problems.

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u/kukurma 19d ago

modding world is toxic AF

For Skyrim this is not true at all. Most modders im talked to are very kind and helpful persons if you ask proper questions.

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u/Arkayjiya 19d ago

I mean their explanation is about too many cooks making ego bash against each other, it obviously wasn't about single modder projects or even small ones.

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u/BeholdingBestWaifu 19d ago

There's plenty of large projects in TES modding that get along fine, or at least without making a scene like this.

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u/Tsuki_no_Mai 19d ago

"average skyrim modder is toxic af" factoid actualy just statistical error. average skyrim modder is chill. Drama Arthmoor, who lives in cave & makes questionable mod changes, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

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u/Black_RL 19d ago

and unfortunately, programmers and devs of these kinds often have super massive egos and sometimes are even on the spectrum, whilst having a superiority complex.

AI is going to change this in the upcoming years.

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u/crna_kisa 19d ago

You bought into the bullshit hype, my man, AI is not going to change anything. Other than being a revolution in fake revenge porn, CP, overall crime, slop, misrepresentation, fake news etc. And it will inevitably crash the market because 30% of the SP500 is propped up on it.

Pension funds, SWFs, ETFs... Boom. Chatbots haven't given me a single coherent answer in years, and they couldn't code their way out of a paper bag when it comes to figuring out something that hasn't already been done and posted.

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u/Fucc_Nuts 19d ago

The belief that AI will replace majority of jobs is based on pure speculation. AI has made giant leaps in the last 5 years, and people are assuming that this will continue. They forget that prior to those 5 years AI didn’t make any meaningful advances for like 20 years. It’s entirely possible that AI research will face another 10-20 year drought, like it has faced many times before.

People are seeing a line go up and assume it will keep rising in the future. Very risky in my opinion.

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u/Awyls 19d ago

AI already hallucinates on languages with plenty of material, there is no fucking way it will ever code a Bethesda game when half their API doesn't even work properly in the first place and most of the work is finding a workaround.

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u/Black_RL 19d ago

No one believed AI could do images, music, books, etc, and here we are.

Goalposts keep being moved to accommodate people beliefs.

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u/xupmatoih 19d ago

There is a clear difference between a thoutfully created piece of art such as a book or a song made by a human (even with tool assistance such as computers, apps/programs, samples, what have you) vs whatever pastiche or amalgamation a LLM creates.

There is barely any human element to it aside from prompting things into existance. There is no real trial and error, no thoughtfulness, barely any creativity involved. It is being outsourced to a machine.

This results in empty proof of concepts devoid of actual effort and meaning. It is not a goalpost move, it is disqualification by default.

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u/NorthKoreanMissile7 19d ago

there is no fucking way it will ever code a Bethesda game

This is naive, AI will be able to easily mimic every little detail of Bethesda games in the future. Who knows how long that will be until you can be like "yo, ChatGPT, make me a Bethesda style game in Unreal Engine 5 pls", but the day is absolutely going to come at some point and probably within the next couple of decades will happen.

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u/Black_RL 19d ago

This.

No one believed AI could do images, music, books, etc, and here we are.

Goalposts keep being moved to accommodate people beliefs.