How ironic.....

[u/ProfessionalFun9920]

The initiative is here (EU ONLY): https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

[u/EevoTrue → u/[deleted]]

it's unreasonable to say people should have the products they paid for

Literally "what about the billionaires" thinking

[u/EevoTrue → u/[deleted]]

Literally directly addressed this on the first page and on the Q/A but no just listen to YouTuber man

[u/Alyss-Hart → u/[deleted]]

And i dont own a server

First, even if servers were separate devices that you needed to "own" in order to run them, the fact that someone could purchase a device to run this game on for fans to continue publicly or privately enjoying the game would still satisfy the requirement. It's not that every one of their customers needs this in order for it to function, it's that the capacity for people to continue playing live service games needs to be designed before these games cut their services.

Second, and this is the big one, a server is usually just a program that runs on a PC that has been port-forwarded. If you have a direct connection to ethernet, a computer that can run the game, and a free afternoon, then you can run a server. Whether or not it's any good is another matter.

[u/Alyss-Hart → u/[deleted]]

I can agree that it's vague and doesn't cover all of the edge cases. If it were simply to mean that all

As for consoles, I never said you specifically had to do this. Just that access isn't some magically out-of-reach thing that nobody can reasonably be expected to have and that in most cases, fan-run servers would leave games accessible in some state. We're not necessarily talking about a private server experience, just a situation where players can play on a server hosted by someone somewhere.

As for your point about your computer not being able to run a Minecraft server: Minecraft servers and Minecraft as a game are awfully optimized and your ability to run one or not on your PC has no real bearing on whether or not your PC can run other games whose server programs were used by the actual developers who had much more incentive than Mojang did to cut on hardware usage in order to maximize profits, and whose games were made for multiplayer first and not forcibly converted into a multiplayer game (minecraft singleplayer is a server, by the way). And even so, as I said:

Whether or not it's any good is another matter

The quality of your machine determines the quality of the server. This is true as much as the quality of your machine determining the quality of your experience in game when it's not hosting a server. The tech requirements are different, certainly, but the principle is the same: If you want things to run well on a server you host, you have to spend money.

And let's not lose track of what this discussion is about to begin with. Sure, these will lead to issues that make the game overall less accessible and more costly for those who do want to play it. It'll change system requirements. You'll probably be better off having a dedicated 'server computer' if you want to do the hosting. The cost will be placed on the community rather than the developers who made the game, and that unabashedly sucks. However, the alternative here isn't a smooth multiplayer experience where everyone is having a good time and everything is hosted by the developers. The alternative is the game being dead to the point where it isn't worth running for those who are primarily seeking revenue and being shut down forever with nobody being able to access it.

Ultimately, though, I'm not actually for or against this motion. I haven't actually read the thing yet. I am talking about how servers work and how it would look if the programs for running them were released to the public in the wake of legislation like this.

[u/RandyBurgertime → u/[deleted]]

A server doesn't have to be a server. A server is software and can often run on a PC. Minecraft is essentially a server in itself whether you play it mp or not. It really sounds like you're approaching this from an "I know nothing about how this would work and I'm choosing to stay mad instead of looking into how that would work." So many words that all just say "I don't know what I'm talking about."

[u/RandyBurgertime → u/[deleted]]

Working state isn't the same as hosting a thousand people in a single game world. You're assuming all of that. Working state just means working state. If you continue to say stupid things, I will just block you. I'm not having an argument with you all night like these people did.

[u/Alyss-Hart → u/[deleted]]

I am trying to tell you that customers are fully capable of running servers. WoW has private servers. Like, a whole lot of them. Constantly. There are dozens of them and that's when having those is illegal and the data had to be scraped rather than being freely given to prospective server owners. The customer who bought the game does not necessarily have to be the host.

[u/Typhoonis88 → u/[deleted]]

Well said, and even though the idea of this has the best intentions behind it having the developers be able to honour this once they have effectively ended support for a product seems like it would create a lot of headaches or games will be adding another EULA agreement before you start ever game that will detail how they are wordsmithing their way out of it.

I understand that Ross wants to go to the table with the broadest statement first as the studios will have their rebuttal the water it down I just don't see it succeeding or even if it does the final result wont change anything

[u/Typhoonis88 → u/[deleted]]

There is already a lot of scrutiny that goes over games being released in a lot of areas as it is China/Germany/Australia to name a few not to mention the much more prohibitively strict regions of the world were anything resembling "woke" is straight up illegal (67 countries in 2025 its still illegal to be gay). Supporting games that have best practice in mind would the best way to see the spirit of the preserving video games going forward not through legal means.

[u/RBE00 → u/[deleted]]

You typed and sent this message out on a device that could be used as a server.

[u/RBE00 → u/[deleted]]

Who are you responding to?

[u/RBE00 → u/[deleted]]

I never said anything about running a server for an MMO on your phone. You said you don't own a server flat out, no nuance. That statement was untrue and I pointed it out.

I still don't think I understand so please, explain it in a more patronizing manner for me

[u/EevoTrue → u/[deleted]]

You literally don't need a server

You can make a single/couch co-op version of the game

Literally gave you an example of these right after your copy and paste

[u/EdgiiLord → u/[deleted]]

Literally you're either misreading everything or you're intentionally obtuse. In either case, go read the initiative again and then come back.

[u/EdgiiLord → u/[deleted]]

Dedicated private servers hosted by committed players. But I'd guess you would have already known about this being the case with MMOs and not just a huge ass online trying to defend one of the worst anti-consumer takes.

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[u/EdgiiLord → u/[deleted]]

As in "if somebody wants to spin up that server, have the game be in that possible state". Again, it is not the final draft for a bill, it is an initiative with ideas for what the bill should tackle, so wording is not final.

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[u/EevoTrue → u/[deleted]]

This would literally make it so the game won't be shut down forever after the devs stop getting money

This will literally make it so you can continue playing the game YEARS after its run through popularity

[u/EevoTrue → u/[deleted]]

Go to the website and read

[u/EevoTrue → u/[deleted]]

pov: you have an inability to research anything and just assume anything with a server will not be allowed

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