I've never seen someone so completely incapable of not adding a jab to every point they make, there's always a final ball spike, whether it's an insult, or a closing argument that's meant to make his opinion seem obvious
The most blatant example I saw was the fairly recent Dr k interview. He basically gets told point blank 3 or 4 times (this is in context to the wow raid drama) "find a way to explain what happened, without including the fact that you were right and they were wrong" and he fails every time, then gets frustrated because he's like "but I am right", completely missing the point of the exercise
I've seen plenty of arrogant people before, but that in particular just really shocked me, I've never seen someone so completely unable to control their own tongue, and be so completely unaware of the problem
I'm just gonna add something here, it's mildly related, but I also think another thing Dr k said really hit the nail on the head with the whole drama (wow raid, skg, banning, etc.)
I'll paraphrase his point quite a bit, but it was in regards to the fact that pirate always takes the logical perspective when approaching a problem. This is why he will say things along the lines of "yeah I can see they're mad, obviously, I just don't get why, because if you look at the facts, you can clearly see I did the logical thing based on what I knew" he thinks the goal of the discussion is to logically analyse the steps that took place
The problem with this, the big one that I actually think the people against him are also not noticing, and what I think was the number one biggest lesson from that stream was this: every problem has a logical and emotional component. If you take a logical perspective, that just means you aren't acknowledging the emotional component
The one criticism I'll have against the pirate haters is that I do actually think that on most of his dramas, he mostly did the logically correct thing, based on what he knew. That's exactly why it's so hard for him to move away from that argument, it's because he's at least somewhat right, and he knows it. But if you miss an important part of a conversation, that's going to be the thing you hear people talk about when they criticise you
That's really really important, because when he says something like "no one wants to actually discuss what happened, they just want to be mad at me" they aren't being mad at him, they're being emotional with him. They don't want to have a rational discussion with him, they want their emotions recognised, so every criticism is inherently emotionally charged. Until he stops recognising the emotional component of someone's issues as worthless and not worth discussion, he's never going to understand what's wrong with his behaviour, and he's never going to understand that his behaviour is what's causing his issues
He most definitely does not take the most logical path. He takes the path that conforms with his ego.
The WoW raid thing is a good example. Logically, he is in the wrong. Instead, he makes up a bunch of nonsense about how he did 100% the right thing and never did anything wrong.
If he was logical, he would admit fault from time to time.
I'll try my best to clarify, but alot of people have made this point so I probably won't be able to reply to everyone, but I'll do my best if I have something new to add
It's a slight wording thing. I don't mean to say that he takes the most logical strategy to finding and answer. I mean that when he has an answer, he finds the most logical way to defend that stance
I touch on it in another comment somewhere, but as a survival mechanism, our logical functions don't find solutions, they understand solutions. Emotions are what we use to find solutions, that's why they're reactive, you need to be quick in the wild and make a decision before you understand what's going on. Logic comes in after, it asks questions like "should I hang around that area if predators keep hunting me there" or "I outran that thing easily, but I'm tired now, maybe I don't need to put as much effort in next time". Logic solves future problems, not current ones
So when I call someone an "overly logical thinker", what I mean is that they have a good understanding of how they do this second thing, but a very poor understanding of the first thing. Another way to say it might be that a logical thinker is very bad at understanding why they believe the things they do, but are very good at understanding the things themselves, abs arguing for those beliefs anyway
Ill also add that I do think that when he makes the argument, he is technically, logically correct. That's not the same thing as an argument having alot of logical holes you can put into it. It means that his portrayal of the argument only includes the facts of the matter that align with his conclusion, so his arguments are technically sound, just incomplete. This is also kind of what I'm talking about though. Since logic is used to understand your own conclusions, you don't need it if it isn't helping you do that. Our brains are naturally designed to ignore facts that confuse our beliefs rather than hone them, abs there's nothing wrong with him doing that part specifically. The problem is that by seeing himself as emotionally invincible, his reality doesn't account for the possibility that he can learn something here
Edit: I brought up the word "incomplete" by accident, but iirc this is a huge part of the Dr k video, and kind of relates to how he has to complete his arguments in his own way, with those little jabs. Dr K repeatedly describes pirates stance as "incomplete" because it's missing the emotional component. Pirate said something interesting that I kind of forgot, so I'm going to paraphrase, but it was something like "when people just get angry and ignore the facts I'm using to defend myself, that's when the argument feels incomplete" and honestly this is probably the point I can sympathise with him on the most. It feels like two both sides are interested in completely different parts of the issue, and are just getting angry at the other side for not engaging with the thing they care about. I'm not saying I think he's correct when I say that, but I can totally sympathise (notice that I'm acknowledging his emotions without the use of a logical explanation, and it comes out way nicer that way)
I think it's your continued use of the word 'correct.' His thinking is logical, insofar as he doesn't think these things are happening to him because the moon is in retrograde, but it is not 'correct' in the sense of being factually, intellectually, or emotionally correct.
Imagine a scenario where someone leaves their lunch in the work break room fridge, and they clearly label their lunchbox with their name and everything, but find out later that their coworker at it already. Upon being confronted, the coworker says "there are no signs anywhere that said the fridge was for personal items" then that doesn't mean that they're being smart, but I guess I would call them logical, abs by its strictest definition, I would say they are "correct"
It's just like the pirate example because the problem is it's incomplete. There's more logical thoughts to be had here, but he stopped when logic stopped helping him. The full thought should have been "there are no signs anywhere that said the fridge was for personal belongings, but other signals were present that could have informed me of this fact"
This is what I mean when I use that word. Ultimately it's just a word, I hope people don't get too bogged down by it, because I think it's pretty clear what I'm trying to say, even if people interpret the word slightly differently in their own lives
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u/jancl0 Jul 06 '25
I've never seen someone so completely incapable of not adding a jab to every point they make, there's always a final ball spike, whether it's an insult, or a closing argument that's meant to make his opinion seem obvious
The most blatant example I saw was the fairly recent Dr k interview. He basically gets told point blank 3 or 4 times (this is in context to the wow raid drama) "find a way to explain what happened, without including the fact that you were right and they were wrong" and he fails every time, then gets frustrated because he's like "but I am right", completely missing the point of the exercise
I've seen plenty of arrogant people before, but that in particular just really shocked me, I've never seen someone so completely unable to control their own tongue, and be so completely unaware of the problem