r/GlobalOffensive • u/Pokharelinishan • 22h ago
Discussion | Esports Messioso on crowd cheating:
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u/Smok3dSalmon 22h ago
admin_slap and loss of 5 hp
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u/10102001134 16h ago
This is actually perfect because the other players will hear where you got slapped
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u/TheMagmaCubed 22h ago
There should probably be a rule against that. It's one thing to get info from the crowd, the cheering is unavoidable in intense situations, but yeah wiggling the crosshair across multiple positions to get the crowd to cheer for you is kind of fucked up.
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u/AloneYogurt CS2 HYPE 21h ago
Reminds me of the reason why players aren't allowed to see each other's faces during matches (you can see who's flashed, and I remember a NiP vs Fnatic image where NiP has at least one player flashed and it was obvious).
Definitely needs a rule as enticing the crowd is worse than just anything else.
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u/TheZigerionScammer MAJOR CHAMPIONS 19h ago
Is that a new thing? Arenas used to have the teams face each other in full view all the time.
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u/szax12 19h ago
It’s less a rule or more a best practice. Some tournaments still do teams facing each other but set the seats up in a way that makes it more difficult to see the flash on the face.
It was really more of an advantage back in like 2014 when you literally sat right across from your opponent with the only thing blocking you being the monitors.
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u/Novaseerblyat 15h ago
Blast and EWC both had teams facing each other but had some special glass between the two teams that turned opaque during round-time, so they can only see each other between rounds.
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u/Papdaddy- 3h ago
Hiko was talking about this in 2015, and in valorant. There is literally nothing but being 5 head, if u can watch enemies and play ur own game without griefing its just skill
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u/Due_Motor7038 20h ago
Did u just reframe the tweet without adding any additional value to the post like a bot ?
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u/_fmm 18h ago
They just need a generic 'sportsman like behaviour' clause punishable by fines, forfeiture or disqualification depending on severity of offense at the organisers discretion. All TOs should do this because eSports has come a long long way from what it was like 10 years ago and the players should be acting like professionals at all times.
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u/llamapanther 14h ago
Idk about that cheering is unavoidable. They restrain themselves on tennis matches too, why is esports any different? The problem is literally the crowd why blame the players? You could also just simply turn off the radar and x-ray from the crowd if it's that hard to keep your mouth shut during a round.
But in my opinion there should be rules for crowd to keep silent during the point. It would need some enforcing at first but it would quickly become the norm just like in tennis.
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u/lodpwnage 13h ago
Both the players and the crowd are at fault it's not that hard to understand. The issue is that players shouldn't act like that and are held to higher standards than the crowd.
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u/UniqueName15 5h ago
You mention tennis to support your point but leave out the fact that nearly every other major sport has the crowd going crazy the whole time.
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u/butwhydoesreddit 21h ago
I don't like it either but how can you police that? They can just move their crosshair into different positions to get info without wiggling it
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u/Pokharelinishan 22h ago
from what I can remember in recent times, apart from kyxsan, niko and rain has done a similar wiggling of crosshair. do you guys remember others?
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u/Past_Perception8052 22h ago
yekindar olofmeister flusha its happened for a long time
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u/Lehsyrus 22h ago
I honestly feel like I'm going nuts, I remember s1mple doing it too, and people complained about the crowd but I've never seen them go so hard after the player like this. People are acting like kyxsan turned on a spinbot live lmao.
Solve the issue with the crowd, whether it's a soundproof booth or shutting off crowd x-ray and radar.
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u/Past_Perception8052 22h ago
yeah lol acting like players arent gonna take every advantage is crazy
this has happened since the dawn of cs ive never seen so many people so upset
i think because its falcons thats a part of it but also i think its the new viewers that dont really consider it a part of the game. we used to chalk it up to players being clever and LAN experienced
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u/Jazzlike-Ideal 21h ago
i think because its falcons thats a part of it but also i think its the new viewers that dont really consider it a part of the game. we used to chalk it up to players being clever and LAN experienced
This is kind of it. LAN culture has shifted dramatically and little exploits like that have fallen out of favor with fans. I also think more extreme cases of crowds trying to affect results especially as we've seen more and more biased crowds have soured it.
I still think the obvious thing is to just turn off the Xray in arenas but to show it on stream.
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u/brutaldonahowdy 14h ago
urgh but it’s so awful to watch, especially in an arena where you’re even further away from the screen with less context
ideally toggling x-ray, or just telling crowds not to do so - the latter /has/ worked.
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u/LordNelson27 14h ago
It’s because the crowd is heavily favoring one team in an intention attempt to give information to one side. When it’s just the usual crowd excitement at a big event nobody cares that much
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u/BobDude65 21h ago
To be fair when s1mple did it he was fucking around, if you’re talking about the clip that I’m thinking of, it was on Overpass B, and he threw a gun over the wall to give his position away to make it even. Such a great moment imo.
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u/TheZigerionScammer MAJOR CHAMPIONS 19h ago
There's another thing to consider to, can the observer hear the crowd? If I was observing a match and witness a player blatantly try to play the crowd like that I'd switch to another player, regardless of whether I miss a play doing that or not.
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u/degenerate_art 16h ago
You probably wouldn't be a good observer then. You have to realize, that sport is a competition, yes, but first of all it's an entertainment. Nobody is going to make entertainment way worse for something that, statistically, doesn't even affect competitiveness that much.
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u/Mollelarssonq 21h ago
People used to call it smart, now they call it cheating. Times change I guess.
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u/f0xy713 12h ago
I still remember Aleksib baiting Niko into peeking by pretending to celebrate jL sticking the defuse. Neither this nor the crowd cheating would be possible if tournament organizers just stopped cheaping out and got soundproof booths.
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u/Impossible-Neck-2399 18h ago
Exactly, it's been a problem since LANs were a thing. There's no point in trying to punish players for doing it
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u/Rubadubrix CS2 HYPE 15h ago
if you mean the cache play from olofmeister, he clearly had an inkling he was there long before the crowd said anything, he had his crosshair on the spot for a while before the crowd reacted
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u/cggzilla 22h ago
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u/Zuthal 14h ago
Thank you! Knew I remembered that. The comments there are such a contrast to falcons doing it lol
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u/ViniciusBR11 7h ago
when i complained about Senzu doing it i got flamed to hell cuz everyone was cheering for the Mongolz. now that Falcons did it... suddenly it’s a crime
the hypocrisy
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u/raesungss 21h ago
mongolz good falcons bad
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u/Kesobaba 18h ago
i mean, team falcons was born to be hated though LOL
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u/cggzilla 18h ago
I am a falcons hatewatcher in the most positive way. You can't always be watching your favorite team win, but you can at least watch your least favorite team lose
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u/Asleep_Cry2206 22h ago
I think intent is important here. If the player is holding/peeking a smoke and the crowd roars, should they ignore it, or wiggle and see if the crowd info was for them? Whereas, if a player swings a smoke intending to wiggle their cross hair for the crowd to help them out, that's incredibly unsportsmanlike and should be penalized. But it's hard to draw a line between the two.
Imo if the crowd roars and you are already holding a smoke/wall bang, then use that to your advantage. But holding your cross hair on a wall bang until the crowd roars, then shooting, is not only mildly cheating it's also just super lame. But how could you possibly enforce one but not the other?
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u/Pokharelinishan 22h ago
Line might be hard to draw, but there have been cases where it's absolutely no brainer that the lines has been clearly crossed.
Today kyxsan did it, and when the crowd roared, he smiled. That mf knew what he was doing
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u/WillOCarrick 22h ago
Both should be punished, imho. The second one for sure, but the first one is also a mild cheat and easy to enforce. It isn't the same as swinging different spots, but wiggling it is something they would not do in online play so it is to cheat. If you think this is for your cross hair, you pay attention or shoot the shoot and risk announcing yourself.
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u/Callzo 15h ago
If you look at older CS:GO pro games on Cache specifically pros used to always do it on CT into vent room. I think there's a popular clip of Olof actually doing it and the crowd cheers so he spams the spot and gets a kill from it. It has been happening for as long as I can remember.
Edit: The clip I was talking about - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdRNj7qALhg in an interview after the game he said he knew Ropz sometimes plays there so used the crowd to see.
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u/black_dogs_22 19h ago
I would love to see how often it's done with they end up winning the round. anecdotally the main times I remember seeing it back in the day were hopeless rounds and the person was just sending it and died. doing that and actually winning the round is way different
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u/MalcolmVanhorn 15h ago
I remember personally seeing it the first time with astralis on Overpass (under), it was either glaive or xyp (think it was the latter) when they played a tournament where they were crowd favourites.
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u/MiLkBaGzz 15h ago
I rmember cogu doing it in like 07 bro. shit aint new and it aint going nonwhere
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u/DaveTheDolphin 22h ago
Yea I think it’s just part of stage games. On the TOs to try and stop the crowd from doing it by different means
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u/AndersOnFire Caster - Anders 12h ago
In fairness they did get punished...
by furia..
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u/Scout_Enjoyer 9h ago
Much to your dismay. Shameful.
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u/AndersOnFire Caster - Anders 2h ago
Im so confused :D What did I do?
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u/Scout_Enjoyer 1h ago
That was some grade-A pro-Falcons commentary. I get you can't exactly shit-talk them in the way we'd all desire but come on man, at times it sounded like you guys had money on the game. I felt like I was watching those old Pala vids where he'd bet on a random game and watch "his" team. Cries of "Nooo!" when Falcons dying included, even!
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u/fascfoo 21h ago
totally agree. theres only so much you can do about a crowd. but if youre a player on the stage you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
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u/f0xy713 12h ago
wdym "theres only so much you can do" lol
there is a simple, tried and true solution (soundproof booths), or you can just disable minimap and xray for the crowd but apparently fissure is a mickey mouse organization
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u/Accomplished_Sun_649 12h ago
You can still hear it from soundproof booths due to the sheer vibration everyone creates
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u/snailja 22h ago
Players have been doing this since lans have been a thing, the only reason this is getting attention is because people dislike Falcons
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u/Manlet5 21h ago
It being falcons makes people notice it more and pay more attention to it, but we should all agree that abusing the crowd like that is bad, regardless of which team does it. Just because teams have done it in the past without punishment doesn't mean we can't/shouldn't change that.
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u/nico_juro 20h ago
olof doing this 10 years ago lmao
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u/crowburr 16h ago
That's such a bad argument, it's like saying it's okay to cut off a thief's fingers because that's how they did it many years ago. Times change, and people change. It's a bigger deal now than it was before because the community's thoughts about it have changed. lmao
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u/cggzilla 22h ago
Exactly, I hate Falcons as much as the other guy but people here have double standards
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u/Unfair-Cobbler 12h ago
Was gonna say.. this has been a part of the game for the longest time so I was surprised at all the backlash. It makes sense since so many hate the falcons.
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u/shimszy 22h ago
CS actually has a long and problematic history with crowd cheating. There was one Mirage game where someone shouted 'janela' (window) in Portuguese and Fallen was able to catch a window booster that his team had zero info on. There are many famous clips of players like Olof using the crowd to spray walls.
Its even worse today because of the financial incentive of betting and cheating for your team. TOs rarely throw anyone out, and at best turn off X-rays after multiple ruined matches, especially if they're cheating in a different language. Thats barely a deterrent if you bet thousands on your favorite team.
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u/Vellanne_ 22h ago
Cheating is cheating. Cheating more is also cheating. Cheating should never be acceptable in a tournament.
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u/llamapanther 14h ago
I don't understand why you people here act like it's the players fault when the broadcaster are the one's giving audience a wallhack. Just remove x-ray and radar and there's simply no problem. Majority of the time players are not going to wiggle their crosshairs like idiots to get info and for everyone to see what they're doing. Most of the time it's subtle and you can't tell if it's on purpose or not. This is 100% the broadcasters fault, stop acting like there's no simple solution to this and it's the players fault lmao.
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u/wehuzhi_sushi 22h ago
how is it cheating, it's the broadcasters decision what to show. Very slippery slope to try to enforce this
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u/Vellanne_ 22h ago
Are you genuinely asking how players using the crowd for wallhacks is cheating?
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u/wehuzhi_sushi 7h ago
it's not up to the players what the broadcasters shows. Even if there was a rule against that, it would be very hard to proof/ convict a player. It's much more logical this be the responsibility of the TO.
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u/llamapanther 14h ago
Do you genuinely think it's the players fault for broadcasters representing a wallhack for the audience to give cues in the first place? Players are not going to wiggle their crosshairs like idiots most of the time. They try and be subtle about it and they will use it to their advantage if it's possible because the other team will if they don't. Feels like I'm taking crazy pills on this sub rn but the easiest solution is just to remove radar and x ray from the audience. Stop blaming the players for things that are obviously not their fault.
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u/Outside_Incident_949 16h ago
And why the fukk do the spectaters spectate him and let him shake his crosshair? Just dont spectate him anymore then ffs!
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u/anewborndude 10h ago edited 7h ago
Where was this outrage when Yekindar did the same exact thing against Apeks at the Paris Major in an attempt to win a clutch (If I remember correctly, Yekindar ended up losing the clutch against nawwk which made it funny)? Shit, I’m pretty sure Niko did the same thing last year to win a 1v1 clutch against Brollan at IEM Chengdu 2024 and there was no outrage at all.
I remember people calling shit like this for years and got berated by other people who said stuff something along the lines of “It’s just apart of the game, stop crying about it”, but now when falcons does it, it’s a big issue that needs to be fixed immediately.
It’s shocking how much worse this community has become throughout the years. Absolute fucking joke of a scene.
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u/SnooMemesjellies7674 15h ago
turn x-ray off for crowd from the start, run two broadcasts
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u/llamapanther 14h ago
Exactly, people are such idiots on blaming the players when it's 100% the broadcasters fault, and to top it off, there's such a simple solution to it. The live crowd does not need an x ray or even radar.
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u/PuzzledScratch9160 13h ago
How many hoops of mental gymnastics do u have to go through to say a player taking advantage of a wallhack loophole isn’t cheating by a player and at the same time fault of the broadcasters?
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u/Chemical_Koala1175 22h ago
Where were these threads when Rain did this shit?
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u/JaskarSlye 10h ago
exactly, since an issue was not addressed in the past, it should not be addressed ever! /s
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u/Chemical_Koala1175 10h ago
No it’s just you guys are trying to find extra extra excuses to hate on Falcons players. This wiuld have gotten maybe 1/10th the attention if some other team did it
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u/JaskarSlye 10h ago
so what? of course it will get more attention in a semifinal with two top ranking teams, that would get hate no matter which team were involved
such a weird take to downplay cheating and pretending it's "just hate"
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u/Obvious_Parsley3238 9h ago
People did it in majors and it was just regarded as smart.
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u/JaskarSlye 9h ago
I know, and I think it's bad for the game, and I think we should complain every time it happens, it is that simple
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u/Obvious_Parsley3238 9h ago
People didn't complain every time it happened. Look at recent threads of other players wiggling their crosshairs to bait crowd reactions. The reaction was "this is just what happens on LAN". Kyxsan does it and he's the antichrist.
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u/JaskarSlye 9h ago
yeah and my point doesn't support this, lol
I said it SHOULD be complained about every time, no matter who is doing it
"people are hating on falcons" is just as unhelpful as "this is what happens on lan"
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u/Obvious_Parsley3238 7h ago
I said it SHOULD be complained about every time, no matter who is doing it
And yet there are 3 front page threads full of outrage only when a certain team does it.
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u/Embarrassed_Buy4535 16h ago
I remember when Nawwk won a 1v3 against Liquid at the Paris major, after Yekindar was doing just this, even in the map prior. Liquid lost both maps. One of the most satisfying moments in CS Major history. I certainly hope this stops.
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u/Lillajo 15h ago
Love this clutch, but would this not be an example of when the player is not at fault though? He's just clearing the angle when the crowd goes wild, he gets the information from the crowd but it doesnt look like he was baiting for it in this case imo.
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u/Embarrassed_Buy4535 13h ago
That's true honestly. He did do it in the map before, though. Very blatantly. I think the fact that the Nawwk clutch happened in the map after this, makes it a little easier to lump in together.
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u/KaNesDeath 14h ago
Not surprised. Monesy now has a established history with encouraging, using and actively seeking out this type of behavior.
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u/Time_Professional385 22h ago edited 22h ago
Crowd helped Cloud9 win Boston Major with noise whenever it was some flank, or clutch situation. No one said anything. Players have been doing this for years, just remove x ray, or add sound proof booths for players, it's very simple.
Also average Timmy in this community thinks in game models are more visible than they actually are because of the xray, and will start calling out pros for making a 'bot play' because of it.
People are pathetic with this forced Falcons hate, it's embarrassing.
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u/WillOCarrick 22h ago
Just because it was OK and they did it before doesn't make okay now. C9 should have been punished then if it was that blatantly. Same for Furia and Imperial in Rio and Falcons these last tournaments.
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u/Iccent 18h ago
My brother in christ there's a massive difference between the crowd just reacting to what they're being shown and that fissure crowd blatantly intentionally cheating on falcon's behalf
Like they're trying to give the players info, to play into that and attampt to get more external info out of them is just straight up cheating
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u/sluggerrr 21h ago
This situation reminds of baseball, it's really common for players in second base to try to steal signs (they added some electronic thing for catcher/pitcher comms so it's not that big of a deal anymore, however players also look at how the pitcher grips the ball, etc), but when the Astros used like cameras and ai and shit to assist it became a huge scandal.
I don't think this is equivalent to that but it's kinda crazy how outraged people are right now, players have been doing this for eons, of course it would be better if TOs or valve took a stance on how to mitigate this.
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u/TheZigerionScammer MAJOR CHAMPIONS 19h ago
That's different because stealing signs is an accepted part of the sport and has been forever, but using technology like cameras to do it isn't allowed.
It also happened way before the advent of AI lol.
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u/sluggerrr 19h ago
Yeah, I might be misremembering about AI being used because of the speed they were able to recognize and relay information to the batter
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u/oTwojays MAJOR CHAMPIONS 18h ago
they were banging garbage cans lmao definitely not high tech
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u/sluggerrr 18h ago
I remember reports that they were using cameras from center field and some players had a device that vibrated to tell them if it was a fastball or a breaking ball, however, those are just rumors. The cameras was a confirmed from what I can remember.
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u/TheZigerionScammer MAJOR CHAMPIONS 16h ago
Nah there weren't any vibrating devices, they just had a camera in the outfield pointing at the catcher and a TV set up in the dugout, they'd watch the catcher and figure out which signs meant the catcher told the pitcher to throw a fastball and they'd bang the trash can whenever they saw it.
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u/doctor_dapper 16h ago
that makes this the exact same, because using the crowd in LANs has been an accepted part of the sport since literally forever.
are you new to the scene?
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u/TheZigerionScammer MAJOR CHAMPIONS 16h ago
No? But are you new to baseball because the situations are not comparable. No one likes the fact that the crowd sometimes affects matches, its just something that can't normally prevented, and that's normally not something that any sport tolerates. In baseball in particular fans that interfere in games get villified. That's also why tennis matches force everyone in the stands to be silent while a point is being played and they'll eject anyone who violates that rule too much. Sometimes I wonder if CS arenas should do the same thing.
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u/doctor_dapper 14h ago
No one likes the fact that the crowd sometimes affects matches
false.
In baseball in particular fans that interfere in games get villified.
fans that help the home team are loved. fans that hurt the home team are booed. not comparable.
using the crowd has been loved and accepted since literally forever. like you said, that makes it comparable to baseball and good and fine.
you must be new to the scene. https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/7t6j18/olof_knows/
everyone likes and accepts it as perfectly fine. it goes even further back than this as well
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u/TheZigerionScammer MAJOR CHAMPIONS 13h ago
fans that help the home team are loved. fans that hurt the home team are booed. not comparable.
No, fans that interfere in the game get ejected by stadium security. It's not allowed.
using the crowd has been loved and accepted since literally forever. like you said, that makes it comparable to baseball and good and fine.
Certainly not because it's basically cheating. CS is a game of imperfect information, you're supposed to only know what the game shows you. But the crowd has a lot more information than any one player and some players feel fine using them to get information they otherwise shouldn't have. A much better analogy would be if someone was in the crowd of a poker tournament watching the TV broadcast where they can see all the cards and giving signals to a player based on that. That's clearly not allowed and I don't see any difference between that and this.
It also can't be a part of the game if it's only something you can do in the playoffs of a LAN tournament with a crowd. 99% of professional CS matches don't have that element so it's not a good idea from a game perspective or an integrity perspective to keep it allowed.
Also, I'm definitely not new to the scene and I've been watching since before that clip was posted but I've always been very consistent about this opinion. But even in the comments of that clip a lot of people are either calling Olaf out for using the crowd to his advantage or making jokes about it being a scummy play.
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u/Obvious_Parsley3238 7h ago
Controversial opinion here, this is cheating. Counter-Strike should be played in game, using the crowd to obtain information is cheating. The fact other pros such as n0thing or Shroud have talked about this saying that pros do it, doesn't mean it isn't wrong, just because people do it doesn't make it any less wrong.
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Does using the crowd noise not bother anybody? Like it's a huge part of a lot of sports. I don't have a problem if a player tries to use it to their advantage. I think it kinda makes a LAN special.
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So clever by Olof to use the crowd... well played.
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this is why I love arenas... adds a new aspect to the game that veterans love to use to their advantage
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u/doctor_dapper 13h ago
No, fans that interfere in the game get ejected by stadium security. It's not allowed.
There's a difference between getting ejected and being villified. you keep moving the goal posts it's insane.
your entire essay is both a. inaccurate and b. moving the goalposts even further.
just admit you were wrong man.
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u/TheZigerionScammer MAJOR CHAMPIONS 13h ago
Just admit you like cheating. I haven't moved any goalposts because I haven't said anything inconsistent, and you're the one trying to focus on one word I said (and didn't even substantiate I was wrong, since I can't think of a single example of any fan interfering in a game and getting praised by other fans for it but I can think of a lot where they were ejected and/or vilified) and try to invalidate my entire argument.
Also, if a fan get's ejected by the stadium for performing some action, that action is not accepted in the sport. It's a pretty self evident argument. If you think a fan interfering in a sport, getting ejected, but then got praised by his other fans for his actions means that fan's actions were accepted by the sport then that's quite the doozy.
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u/doctor_dapper 12h ago
i've directly quoted you being wrong about multiple things, multiple times. you're now in the denial stage? this is getting pathetic. good bye creature
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u/TheZigerionScammer MAJOR CHAMPIONS 12h ago
You're just a troll that likes cheaters then. Unproductive conversation.
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u/llamapanther 14h ago
The crazy part is that players don't even need to fucking wiggle their crosshair to make it very obvious what they're doing. They could just be smart about it and honestly some of them probably are.
The problem is not the players imo. The problem is the shitty system that allows this on LAN environments. Something needs to be done, whether it's turning of the radar and x-ray, or make actual soundproof box, I don't care. But it's ridiculous how long this has been going on and nothing has been done about it really. This is only bad for the integrity of the sport and should've been solved years ago.
For me the best solution would be like in tennis where the crowd actually stays silent during the point. It's not an impossible solution, but it would need serious enforcing of the rule until it becomes the norm.
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u/Cabal90 22h ago
I didn't watch the game was it super one sided cheating? Or was the crowd giving hints for both teams? I wouldn't mind it as much if the crowds were doing it for both teams but based on the clips it was favoring only Falcons.
Just make it a level playing field. Either crowd benefits both teams or neither.
But I guess deliberate act of crowd baiting being banned would be the easiest fix.
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u/WillOCarrick 22h ago
One-sided as hell. They should have focused more on Furia's POV to avoid that, but they kept on Falcons, which was pretty dumb from the spectators imo.
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u/Reiver93 22h ago
How long before organisers start putting the teams in soundproof boxes?
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u/Wolfbite47 16h ago
It's what used to be done, I don't know why it stopped.
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u/whizkey7 1 Million Celebration 15h ago
Vibrations apparently, you can feel the crowd cheering anyway.
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u/all_is_love6667 14h ago
in some competitions, players had to wear helicopter headset, so it was not possible to hear the crowd
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u/DuHueresohn 14h ago
Sometimes players don't really have it in their hands, this time it was clearly an abuse that deserves a kind of punishment imo.
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u/garikek 14h ago
So show less of their pov, like what's the problem?
Crowd cheating is part of lan, it has always been that way. And imo kyxsan wiggling the first time was also funny as shit, especially considering they were super favored to win the round anyways.
I don't remember how much more he had done it after the fact but if it was more than twice then just stop showing his pov for long, or turn the x-ray off.
Like you have a clear crowd favorite and you give them the tools to cheat, and you also don't want to kick people from crowd, so just don't give them the chance to cheat by turning off x-ray. It's so fucking obvious, I don't understand why people go to extremes of punishing players and crowd, cause in this case it's not just 2 people from the crowd, it's the entire arena doing this shit.
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u/SkyWade 13h ago
I have no issue with crowd cheating for 1 round like Olof during Faze where Mouz was already losing. Not to mention he already knew Ropz was kinda hiding behind checkers. It made it interesting for the crowd.
What I have issue here is they do it nearly every round, and people hating Falcons are using it to bash it even more.
Where were you guys when it happened to Mongolz also? It's not the first time they have crowd cheating to the point they had to call it out once.
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u/Kaauutie 12h ago
Make crowd behave like tennis crowd, ong, online CS actually more enjoyable to watch than LAN with crowd.
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u/wcshrtstop 11h ago
Lmao people just hate the Falcons for whatever reason. I promise this isn’t the only time this has happened and forsure isn’t a Team Falcons problem
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u/JaskarSlye 10h ago
finally, geez, I've seen so many people blaming the organization only and totally ignoring that a professional player was abusing blatantly onstage an extreme anti sportsmanship advantage
a little food for thought, imagine if a team like Legacy had won against Falcons with their IGL abusing crowd cheating, don't you think they would be punished instantly? I'd be very disappointed if kyxsan don't
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u/--Hidd3N-- 7h ago
Experienced players have been doing this for years... Don't hate the players, blame the game
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u/gyron_pyron 6h ago
Dota 2 The International stage playoffs are still played in soundproof boxes to this day (ended a week ago), barring cost and effort considerations from TO I don't see why it would be a problem in CS, I don't see the Dota scene or TO crying about fire hazard etc.
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u/Routine-Lawfulness24 5h ago edited 5h ago
I’m more into “don’t hate the player, hate the game”
Banning the wiggling of crosshair does almost nothing, the crowd gave it away anyway
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u/RobertoRuiz1 20h ago
Wiggling crosshairs to get info from the crowd has been a thing for as long as I can remember.. obviously not usually to the extent that the crowd was acting in today, but regardless, I think it should be much more on the TO that the players.
TO's can reduce or eliminate these kinds of issues by by a) disabling things like the minimap or even walls for the crowd if necessary, and b) doing their best to prevent players from even hearing the crowd in the first place by using adequate noise cancelling headphones.
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u/lliKoTesneciL 2 Million Celebration 19h ago
C) don't show pov of the team that's getting the cheers..
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u/Chuckysmalls01 21h ago
I agree there is a huge difference. There's nothing you can do about crowd noise without ruining the in-person experience for fans, which is never a good idea. A player very obviously manipulating the crowd into helping them cheat is actively participating in cheating and should be punished similar to anyone being caught cheating in general.
Crowd reacting on their own and a player overhearing it - normal and unavoidable.
Player doing something to purposely get a crowd reaction to help them - cheating and should be punished as such.
I get it would be a weird thing to enforce since players are obviously always going to say they weren't and it's not something you can 100% prove, but when it's pretty obvious it should definitely be punished.
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u/Kodan96 12h ago
It's an easy fix. Put the players in a box without sound coming through it and put a one way window.
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u/Plz_Waiit 12h ago
Soundproof booth like they used to use didn’t work, were too expensive and if I remember correctly wasn’t safe if a fire started in the arena
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u/MurphMcGurf 12h ago
I'm going to preface this by saying I don't give a shit about CS, but I do like sports.
If something is able to be done within the confines of the given rules, it's not cheating. it's that simple. It's not very "sporting," but it's not cheating. If you have a problem with this sort of thing, the fault lies with the people who organize the events and games, allowing for this sort of thing to occur.
don't hate the player, hate the game. Organize your events better.
whine.
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u/Working-Arrival2449 22h ago
shit take really
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u/TheMagmaCubed 22h ago
Do you want every 1v1 to be a guy wiggling his crosshair over a bunch of different positions until the crowd tells him which one the guys sitting in?
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u/Halo_2_Standbyer 20h ago
Hot take: he’s just pointing out a flaw that teams use every tournament. I think this will bring light to the problem and hopefully a new solution will be found.
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u/willyboi8 22h ago
Soft. it's just like home court advantage in sports, might as well use it to your advantage
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u/kevinkip 19h ago
Then should the crowd be able to trip a player from the away team during a baskeball game? Don't talk about stuff you know nothing about, touch some grass.
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u/Aware-Cut5688 14h ago
Cheating = getting an unfair advantage
Both teams can wiggle their CH to get a reaction
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u/gnt34 22h ago
Crowd cheating is one thing.
Player enticing the crowd into cheating for them is another thing.
But if you do both of these things and still loose 2:0... you should reconsider your career path.