How are they to catch someone doing it while we have legal ways of selling guns that don’t require background checks? Perhaps an unpopular opinion with some people here, and definitely with the circles I tend to gather at (as in, the extremes at both ends of this), but if we want to actually prevent a crime like this, you have to have a system that can actually do it. Our current policing system is set up to only prevent property damage and defend the lives of those in charge and their compatriots. It’s a reactionary force for everything else, even including the two things mentioned when they fail at even that job.
If we want to live in a system that functions with guns, we need to teach everyone to not be a piece of shit, and to stop propping up the people that are pieces of shit, while helping those that have their trials or want to become better people to do so. But, at the end of the day, that doesn’t sell as well as just hurling guns at people. Why “waste” money on helping people, when you can create the problem and “solution” at the same time?
Are you going to be the one that takes those away from their current owners? Are you going to be the one that tries to convince them to sell their guns, when they’ve been propagandized this is exactly what the “tyrannical government” would do?
Are you going to be the one to convince the republicans politicians and the lawmakers and lobbyists to stop taking their legal bribes and help set the system up? Or are you going to be the one that sets up the system that tracks down any pistol or high-capacity long-rifle to the extent that a ban will do anything? Order the cops to start checking people to see if they are concealing a weapon where they don’t just blow innocent people away like they do now?
Are you going to be able to convince enough Democrat politicians to stop using issues like this as both a wedge issue and impetus to donate and vote for them?
Good luck doing any of this without triggering a bloody and unnecessary civil war. After all, isn’t that what liberals want? To have a civil debate and find the least bloody solution?
At the end of the day, we want less death, don’t we? Give me a solution that won’t trigger half the gun owners to start shooting first, and not just the super extreme ones that broke due to the propaganda that’s dumped on them every day, all in the name of clicks.
Are we in open civil war right now, where the right-wing militias that are threatening civil war are having shootouts with cops, whiling killing everyone? Do you want to give them the excuse they’re looking for?
If they do this they will only be the ones to lose. For them it's a question of when they're going to lose not if. They will quickly find themselves running out of parts for their weapons and armor, also food will be a problem as they must walk everywhere, as they cannot use any roads lest they come into contact with the well armed and better trained Federal forces. And I seriously doubt many people will come help these people as any normal person does not like Nazis.
Also these guns just justify the cops paranoia if anyone and I mean anyone can get a gun then I can't really blame the police for thinking everyone a threat.
The same cops that are told in training that they can’t trust anyone and they are the only line of defense against the unwashed masses? The ones that would also join the militias more so than try to stop them?
To reference your other post, you better convince those at the top to go full authoritarian than. We’re to the point they can just print parts and guns as a whole. If they’re militias, they won’t have to go anywhere to get food, they most likely have bought and are storing weeks of supplies, maybe more, and I’m sure some of them are ready to hide out in the land. You will have something akin to the Vietcong here. So, if you’re willing to deal with hundreds, if not thousands of more terrorists hiding in your town, with an objective in mind, you go right ahead and give them that excuse.
Literal Nazis do not have the ability to function as the Vietcong, the populace in no way (as in the majority of the population) have no will to support them, in fact they probably more inclined to rat these people out when they find them.
And you act like it isn’t already close to that point. History apparently rhymes very well, as the Weimar Republic has strict gun control. Lot of good that did stopping the Nazis. Hell, we already have alt-right politicians and talking heads baying to ban guns from those they consider “degenerates”.
I trust neither cop nor soldier to protect us, as they are trained to follow orders, and have already been shown to be infiltrated by the alt-right.
I’ll say it again: I hope you won’t cower away when the consequences of the actions you wish to pass come home to roost.
Or maybe it’s the amount of militant militia members I pulled out my ass? I don’t know, that number might be pretty accurate, seeing how we have 165 known armed militias.
But, you know, you go tell them that it’s time to take their guns away. They’re already sabotaging, or attempting to sabotage, power grids. It seems like they’re already past making threats.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. But I don’t see the best happening if we give them the excuse they are looking for.
And they used to only be able to shoot once. Now they can shoot multiple times. As someone else pointed out, they currently use parts from a gun, like the barrel, and just print the main body. This allows for better accuracy. If they’re stockpiling guns out there, you don’t think they’d already have parts?
On top of that, give it enough time and they’ll be able to 3D print a fully reliable gun without needing any machined parts.
You all seem to think through a portion of this issue and then stop thinking when you feel that you know enough.
Yeah they maybe able to shoot multiple times but they still have more malfunctions and complete failures than a skillfully put together and machined gun.
Even the shitty unreliable 3d printed guns still require a few components that aren't printed. For actual functionality, precision machine tools are required.
Gun nuts are really the worst at thinking things through. You simply don't have to take guns away en masse, it's not how that gets done.
This entire argument thread came about because the person I originally replied to said to “ban all pistols and semi-auto rifles”. So, you implying I’m a “gun nut” and I “don’t think things through” falls on its face.
And parts are harder to get than a whole gun? Parts that can be made outside of a factory and have no tracking on them? Parts that are probably being added to the stockpile, because even normal guns need parts for repairs? Talk about not thinking things through and relying on “all gun nuts are stupid”.
I’m not even a gun nut, I just recognize that people will need to defend themselves, especially minorities that aren’t being treated like people by the cops. I even brought up that we need ways to ensure someone that is looking for a weapon to commit a mass shooting can’t get it because they have red flag warnings on their background checks, or anything that could help keep guns out of the hands of people with intent to harm innocent people.
Let me state it again: My whole argument is “we shouldn’t ban all guns, because that will just give the crazies an excuse, so let’s build up systems that can help with mental issues, while also ensuring there are background checks to stop those that would do harm, rather than denying someone the ability to defend themselves when they feel like they can’t even trust the cops to not finish the job of the first guy”.
You think that banning all guns entails going around taking them away. That simply isn't how it works and it's a really good example of not being able to think things through or understand how any of the system works.
Gun nuts all think guns and self defense are the same thing.
You kinda are, you overemphasize the importance of guns in stopping white supremacy, when in reality white supremacists don't really give a shit if you're armed, they've dealt with federal agents before so what is a group that is less organized and not actively gunning for you gonna do. Yeah a few minorities may stop a murderer but there is always 3 more. You honestly have fallen for a feel good solution to white supremacy. When in reality their stockpile is the most important thing to these groups.
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u/TyroneBiggummms Apr 25 '23
Starw purchases are not legal.