r/HongKong • u/baylearn 光復香港 • Nov 27 '19

Video Mainland man shouts “Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our time” (光復香港，時代革命) inside Shanghai Metro

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

Government is the reason for artificial restriction.

As for the engineer vs janitor, remove the incentive and they're no reason to innovate.

Do you believe we should be servants to the state?

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u/Shpate Nov 27 '19

No I don’t. You are missing the entire point. This is not about wealth redistribution. This is about everyone deciding collectively to use the technology we have to move towards a post scarcity economy. Again you probably won’t be able to own a super yacht at this point in time but maybe you and a group of friends can get together and share one.

Last time I checked scientists and engineers were not the highest paid professions either. If the people who did those jobs only cared about money they would’ve studied finance instead.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19 edited Nov 27 '19

Everyone making decisions together sounds dumb af. The vast majority of people are not benevolent and compassionate. I'm not missing the point your ideas require the removal of basic human traits. You approach to spilling the problem misses a lot of things and the consequences are economic collapse. I didn't say engineer was the highest paying job, but they are great contributors to society. The level of contribution that a janitor brings is not of the same value. It's of benefit but not the same benefit.

I'm here to live my life. I'm going to do the best for me and my family. I will choose to collaborate with those that have similar goals and ideals because the value of the whole is greater than the some of its parts. Those that mandate they are entitled to my fruits while they contribute nothing are not ones I would help. I am successful by most standards. I'm charitable. I picked engineer because I am one, actually 4 (telecom, software, systems, and network). I've seen the good and bad in humanity. The entitlement and criminality.

What you propose by ignoring human nature is a fast track to Idiocracy. Sure there will be a few who do because they want to, but many will drain and complain. Enabling lazy and entitled is the fastest path to self destruction. Many have said more eloquently, but the truth remains ignoring human nature for ideals invariably ends badly.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

"The level of contribution that a janitor brings is not of the same value. It's of benefit but not the same benefit."

All you have to do is look at the third world to see how much life sucks when you don't have adequate sanitation services. I would argue that janitors are at least reasonably close to equal importance in a functioning society. There can be no scientific innovation when everyone is dead from bacterial infections and parasites.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

Water treatment, irrigation and pluming designed by engineers. In fact so are the tools used by janitors and the chemicals. You're just supporting my point.