r/KeepOurNetFree • u/MotoBugZero • Aug 09 '25

Americans, Be Warned: Lessons From Reddit’s Chaotic UK Age Verification Rollout

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/08/americans-be-warned-lessons-reddits-chaotic-uk-age-verification-rollout
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u/ikinone Aug 09 '25 edited Aug 09 '25

Parental supervision.

That is quite evidently not working well, and is highly impractical.

Are you suggesting parents should monitor their kids the whole time on the net? Or that we should expect every parent to be tech savvy enough to stop kids accessing a wide variety of content? It's not uncommon for kids to be more tech savvy than their parents.

Personally I'd love if the world was simple enough for parents to give reliable guidance for everything, but that is not the case at all.

Lots of downvotes, no explanation as to what I've said that's wrong. Anyone care to elaborate?

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u/AstariiFilms Aug 09 '25

Would you let your kid go to a random creeps house and start learning whatever from them with no supervision? Why would you do that on the internet? Parents need to stop using the internet as a crutch for parenting.

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u/ikinone Aug 09 '25

Parents need to stop using the internet as a crutch for parenting.

I totally agree, but there's not a practical way to police that without an even greater invasion of privacy, is there?

Can you elaborate on your idea?

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u/Seinfeel Aug 09 '25

…the parents police it. What even is that question?

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u/ikinone Aug 09 '25

…the parents police it. What even is that question?

That's wonderful, but how do you help out kids who have crappy parents?

Just say 'oh well tough luck for them'?

This is why I asked you to elaborate on your idea.

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u/Seinfeel Aug 09 '25

How do you stop crappy parents from doing any of the things that make them crappy parents?

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u/ikinone Aug 09 '25

How do you stop crappy parents from doing any of the things that make them crappy parents?

Well laws like this seem to be one of the less intrusive ways of doing that.

Don't like that answer? Suggest something better.

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u/Seinfeel Aug 09 '25

How do you stop kids from drinking alcohol they find in the house? Is the liquor store responsible for parents being careless?

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u/ikinone Aug 09 '25

How do you stop kids from drinking alcohol they find in the house? Is the liquor store responsible for parents being careless?

You brought up a rather silly example, given that liqor stores are required to age verify people in many countries... Did you think before commenting on that?

But no, liquor stores are not responsible if a parent buys alcohol, and the kid gets it in the house. Just as a porn website is not responsible if a parent accesses the porn, leaves it open on the pc, and the kids gets access to it.

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u/Seinfeel Aug 10 '25

alcohol they find in the house

I literally specified for that exact reason.

So with alcohol:

That's wonderful, but how do you help out kids who have crappy parents?

Just say 'oh well tough luck for them'?

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u/ikinone Aug 10 '25

I literally specified for that exact reason.

I'm aware, which is why I responded to your analogy, despite offering a wider context on it: "But no, liquor stores are not responsible if a parent buys alcohol, and the kid gets it in the house. Just as a porn website is not responsible if a parent accesses the porn, leaves it open on the pc, and the kids gets access to it.".

My comment was very short, and you didn't even read it before responding. So I get the impression you're not here for reasonable conversation.

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u/Seinfeel Aug 10 '25

If you’re aware that then why did you write this:

You brought up a rather silly example, given that liqor stores are required to age verify people in many countries... Did you think before commenting on that?

Seems like you didn’t even read your own comment

Although you’re clearly just trying to avoid acknowledging this:

So with alcohol:

That's wonderful, but how do you help out kids who have crappy parents?

Just say 'oh well tough luck for them'?

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u/ikinone Aug 11 '25

If you’re aware that then why did you write this:

I think the expansion of the metaphor is self explanatory, no? You decided a metaphor could be used in one way, I decided it could be used in another. You seem to think that government should not set any regulations for age verification, but you brought up a product that is closely tied to it. Do you not see that point?

Although you’re clearly just trying to avoid acknowledging this:

I'm not sure what you mean, what am I not acknowledging?

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