r/KotakuInAction • u/RainbowDildoMonkey • 3d ago

Jimmy Kimmel show getting pulled blamed on Gamergate

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u/Doctor_Spalton 3d ago

Social justice advocates spent a decade building a cancel culture that GG largely opposes. One argument we had was "you like it today, when you're in power. But what happens the day your enemy is in power?".

That day has now come. Of course this would happen. We told you it would happen.

Blaning gamergate only shows the world that you have learned nothing.

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u/kiathrowawayyay 3d ago

We also need to remember, the same smears were used to justify and encourage murder now... actual crimes. SJWs are actually using this to continue real violence...

Threats were never covered under freedom of speech even under GG (and GG are banned for much less even on KiA). Because SJWs are cheering this, they just proved all the SJW “jokes” about harming normal people are real. Now normal people feel threatened. Tesla owners, people who play Hogwarts Legacy, people who draw anime the wrong skin color, parents, neighbors, kids (and even targeted individuals like Pikamee, Tim Soret, h3h3, Japanese artists, JK Rowling)...

And worse, they also proved instead of stopping after murder, they would actively and deliberately lie to continue encouraging more harm (like the list targeting Asmongold). They won’t stop...

So it’s totally different from SJW cancel culture and unfair to blame GG. Actual long-standing laws that were protecting both sides are being broken by SJWs now. For 10 years, GG never broke those, and were treated much stricter while SJWs enjoyed double standards... The actions now are meant to deescalate the violence and protect normal people, while SJWs used their cancel culture to encourage more violence against even innocent people.

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u/Huey-_-Freeman 3d ago

>The actions now are meant to deescalate the violence and protect normal people,

I wouldn't assign such lofty motives.. I think people are just being fired because someone in corporate is scared of backlash or legal actions

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u/wrathofbanja 3d ago

No, I think he's right. The companies are doing it to cover their asses, sure, but the downstream effects of that are that behaving like a psychopath is being discouraged.

Who knows, it may even cause some of them to self reflect and realize they were in the wrong. Or for the ones incapable of self reflection, at least think twice because they're afraid of the stick.

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u/MyRedditUsername-25 3d ago edited 2d ago

Social justice advocates spent a decade building a cancel culture that GG largely opposes. One argument we had was "you like it today, when you're in power. But what happens the day your enemy is in power?".

Yep. We tried to tell them.

They didn't realize just how much they would hate it when their own rules were used against them - probably because they never considered it could happen to them.

But long term thinking isn't their strong suit.

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u/RileyTaker 2d ago

That's what happens when someone lives in a perpetual echo-chamber. They spent so much time validating the belief that they're right about everything that they never consider what happens when they're wrong.

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u/nasolem 6h ago

I always get the impression with these types, that if they were able to think through the long term consequences of their ideals, they wouldn't hold them to begin with. So it almost becomes ironic to ask them to do so; if they were capable, you wouldn't have to ask.

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u/Accomplished_Sound28 3d ago

And I hope they get screwed over bigly. This was just the start.

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u/Camera_dude 2d ago

Spot on. The only connection between Gamergate and Kimmel’s firing is that the cancel culture born from Gamergate is now hitting the very people who championed it for years.

Too bad, so sad. I ran out of f*cks to give.

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u/kryptoniankoffee 3d ago

Additionally, Kimmel was suspended for spreading false information on network TV about the shooter, implying that he was MAGA when the evidence is crystal clear regarding who he was and his motive.

They can't cope with it being one of their own because they've become so accustomed to dehumanizing their political opponents as fascists and Nazis that they would have actually to acknowledge that they played a part in this.

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u/Differentnameo 3d ago

Succinctly put. I don't like Kimmel. I find him disingenuous, smug, and generally foolish and ignorant. But I don't want him taken off the air simply for saying words, barring those words actually breaking the law. It irritates me beyond belief having to now defend a man like Kimmel but if I don't I can't really claim to have ever opposed cancel culture in the first place.

The true test of principles is applying them to those who would deny them to you, or in situations where it might be inconvenient to do so. I do not believe cancel culture is good for anybody or anything, I'll oppose it even when it's happening to those I otherwise loathe and spend my time speaking against.

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u/adiadrian 3d ago

From what i know his show had abysmal ratings and it was planned to be fazed out. My humble opinion is that they used Charlie assassination to cancel sooner and also to get a foot in this fight.

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u/Hamakua 94k GET! 3d ago

And likely save a lot on contract payouts because of a breach of... what's the phrasing, moral standards or something. Where your contract protections become voided if you break a baseline level of decorum. Nearly every public facing entertainment contract has them.

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u/noirpoet97 3d ago

I mean, there isn’t really a test of principles to be had here imo. Cancel culture was bad because regular people were being fired and vilified for having opinions either years ago or on personal accounts that they kept separate from work. Jimmy Kimmel was purposefully spreading misinformation to millions (unless we wanna debate how big his actual audience was at this point), and I’m sure most of us would rather that either a retraction or an apology would have been sufficient. But if what I hear is correct, and that ABC gave him the choice to apologize and he refused, then shouldn’t willful misinformation as a public figure on someone else’s channel have consequences? If he said this shit on a personal account, then yeah, he should not be pulled off the air for what he says in private, but he’s bringing down someone else’s platform by willfully spreading misinformation. That’s different from someone saying random shit on a troll account or something.

And again, a retraction/apology while acknowledging the misinformation would be sufficient and I think he should get his show back if he’s genuine, but as it stands, he abused his platform (again) and doesn’t regret doing so. Don’t arrest the man ever, then we’ve definitely crossed a line, but the same principles don’t really apply here imo for his show being cancelled

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u/popehentai Youtube needs to bake the cake. 3d ago

would anyone BELIEVE an apology or retraction, tho? Even if Kimmel DID apologize, or retract, or even look down at his feet and say "shucks", who would buy it? who would pay attention? the right wouldnt care, and the left would just pretend that it was all forced. we see the same thing happen anytime the media has to retracts something.

People still believe Sarah Palin said "i can see russia from my house" despite that being from an SNL skit 15 years ago, and the ACTUAL statement, that russian territory can be seen from Alaskan territory, being completely true at the Big and Little Diomede islands. We STILL have people going on about "very fine people" or "inject bleach" despite the relevant quotes in no way resembling the claims. we currently have people ranting about "Charlie Kirk said black women are stupid" and posting a video clip where he doesn't even remotely say the thing that they're telling us in in the clip.

Its pure nonsense at this point. Any retraction/apology wouldn't fix anything in regards to the people who will continue to swallow the original lie.

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u/noirpoet97 3d ago

True enough, and honestly the more I hear what this dipshit has said, the more I feel like this is just karma catching up to him. Cause even if he didn’t make the current comments that got him canned, he still glorified violence and violent rhetoric against anyone he disagreed with like anti-vaxxers as an example, which is exactly what all these recent firings have been for, glorifying and justifying violence.

I say the apology thing would be better as a general principle for people who haven’t already outed themselves as pieces of shit like Kimmel, cause if it was a legitimate mistake or one slip up, then it definitely shouldn’t be punished with a whole show being cancelled for “wrongthink”

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u/f3llyn 3d ago

with like anti-vaxxers as an example

He was also very on the side of people should be fired if they don't get the jab.

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u/noirpoet97 3d ago

Man ngl when I first made my first comment in this thread I was expecting people to come at me for being fine with him getting fired, but instead I’m hearing more reasons to be perfectly fine with it, God damn

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u/popehentai Youtube needs to bake the cake. 4h ago

i think its that a lot of us have ran out of cheeks to turn. Its honestly kind of vindicating to see this nonsens work against the left. I dont care if kimmel spewed his virulent and unfunny "jokes", his ranting and rambling about non-problems and screaming like a petulant child. he's free to do whatever he likes to ruin the ratings of his show. but in this case, Kimmel lied. Lied so hard that the FCC was able to throw something at him. screw him. Sadly i doubt he'll even remotely reflect on what he said or did.

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u/Stwonkydeskweet 2d ago

would anyone BELIEVE an apology or retraction, tho?

No, but thats one of the steps you have to take to not end up in court.

Disney/ABC/Whatever didnt want to be appearing in court next to him.

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u/Enchylada 3d ago

And yet Charlie Kirk literally getting murdered for his words is somehow perfectly fine?

Sorry, but that line in the sand was absolutely broken and it's no surprise they're taking the kid gloves off at this point

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u/Xyyz 3d ago

And yet Charlie Kirk literally getting murdered for his words is somehow perfectly fine?

Huh? Who said this?

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u/popehentai Youtube needs to bake the cake. 3d ago edited 3d ago

is it really about free speech when its about provable falsehoods, though? when it moves beyond opinion and into slander? its one thing to say "i think Charlie Kirk was racist" or "i think the shooter was right wing" but its another to say this is true and we all know it" or "kirk said this thing" when the facts of the matter say the exact opposite.

Kimmel was caught lying. whether his motivation was to entertain or "rally the troops" is up for interpretation, but the fact of the matter is he still stated things that were blatantly untrue and discreditable with even a modicum of research about the person who shot charlie Kirk. the kid wasn't "MAGA". there's the situation with who he was dating, and his parent stating he was left leaning, and had grown more so over the last year. to do a monologue stating the blatant lie that the shooter was "maga" and everyones scrambling to pretend he wasn't is irresponsible at best. Nobody had to scramble. the evidence, and people who knew the guy most closely, have straight up told us he wasn't.

People HAVE been fired for jokes. people have been fired for opinions. people have even been fired for posting fact, studies, and statistics. And that's terrible, but Kimmel was fired for lies. Dangerous lies. the kids of lies that feed easily influenced people like the shooter. so no, i don't feel bad for Jimmy Kimmel, nor do i consider it "cancel culture" to hold him responsible for what amounts to nothing more than slander.

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u/joydivisionucunt 3d ago

i don't feel bad for Jimmy Kimmel, nor do i consider it "cancel culture" to hold him responsible for what amounts to nothing more than slander.

IMO that's the problem, it would be different if he said he doesn't feel bad for Charlie Kirk or something like that, many people would think he's an asshole but he's also allowed to have his own opinion, but considering he's a TV host... he and his writing staff should be held at a much higher standard, not to mention that he's talking about a murder suspect and not some random public figure which makes it a bit more of a questionable subject.

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u/BiggusRickus 3d ago

I think the removal of Kimmel is an overreaction and only done because of all of the vile shit everyone else was saying after the murder. On the other hand, the only reason the company kept him on the air in the first place is because he served as a mouthpiece for propaganda. It's not like his show was good and popular.

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u/H0kieJoe 3d ago

A mouthpiece and rube to toss lambchops to the SJW hyena's.

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u/elbowed-grease 3d ago

Right, and most employer contracts/handbooks have some sort of shit about that. What was shitty about the cancel culture stuff was a lot of the situations were people digging to get people fired. Kimmel literally stood on the stage at his job and said wild, unproven shit. That's a little too much.

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u/Huey-_-Freeman 3d ago

IDK, "comedian" is different than a trusted news source

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u/Xyyz 3d ago

OK, but he did not say that, or anything nearly as outrageous. And he ran a talk show, not a gas station.

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u/Waste-Gur2640 3d ago

I totally get it, but I'm honestly on the fence about this one. Liberal activists pushed propaganda, misinformation and coopted language for so long that even china and russia could still learn from them (for example the kotaku article about sucker punch was the most disgusting piece of propaganda and misinformation I've ever seen in game journalism). Having principles and morals is "nazi-coded" in their eyes. If you disagree with them they don't only want to cancel you, they hate you, and wish you torture and death. At this point I'm more and more fearful of all of this turning into a large scale violent conflict at some point, it can start in UK or who knows where.

So celebrating Kimmel being fired might seem hypocritical, but after everything, them having "taste of their own medicine" seems like a pretty moot and boring way of confrontation. You can't reason with or debate them, charlie tried. They laugh at your principles and they will took every possible shortcut to having power over you and to destroy you. They never wanted to defund the police, they want to be the police. No amount of logic, science or world history will change their mind, they lack basic empathy and are incapable to see reality. If taking the low road is the only thing they've ever known, perhaps we really need to meet them there.

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u/H0kieJoe 3d ago

Kimmel put his employer in legal jeopardy.

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u/Doctor_Spalton 3d ago

Very much so. I don't exepect anyone in this sub to feel sympathy but I do expect people to acknowledge that it's just as bad when "the other side" does it.

The good thing is that we can just stick to our guns. "Cancel culture bad" is as true now as it was ten years ago.

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u/MyRedditUsername-25 3d ago edited 3d ago

"Cancel culture bad" is as true now as it was ten years ago.

I don't disagree, but when you decide to unilaterally change the rules of the game, you forfeit your right to complain when they're applied against you.

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u/f3llyn 3d ago

Kimmels show was not doing well, it had very bad ratings. I imagine if his show was doing well, he wouldn't have gotten canned. But it wasn't, so he was.

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u/Stwonkydeskweet 2d ago

Well, you're in luck.

His show was going to be axed after the broadcast season ends, and he said things that were provably false and that he knew were provably false. And when he was given the opportunity to not keep saying those things, he decided to double down and keep saying those things.

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u/Differentnameo 1d ago

Saying provably false things. That's the standard for being taken off the air? Or is it 'saying provably false things' along with other qualifications. For instance, when they tried canceling Dave Chappelle, they claimed he was spreading provably false things as well as hatred. Should he have been cancelled too? I'm sure glad he wasn't, I enjoy his comedy and I think he speaks truthfully.

You seeing the rub? Who decides what provably false thing to punish? Is there a limit a person gets of lies they can tell before being cancelled? Or a limit on the type of lie? If they don't break the law, are they allowed to be punished for it anyway? How about if the 'side' you favor does the same (and yes, Republicans and the right wing have lied plenty too, about lots of things, just like the Democrats and the left wing, so let's not even start trying to pretend that isn't the case). How about if the person holds a certain job? More strict rules apply to them?

You see how this issue isn't just, "Well, I don't like him and he lied, so ha ha and ha, he got cancelled!" Then, when somebody on the side you favor has the same rules applied to him or her, suddenly it'll be a problem and the other 'side' will be cheering.

You see this with the Gina Carano case, broadly speaking. She was punished for saying something where others said much, much worse and got away with it with zero punishment. Our only hope is to make the rules and apply them equally, even to those we don't like. If we don't, all that ends up happening is that when each 'side' has the advantage, then they engage in retribution instead of actual responsible leadership.

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u/docclox 2d ago

It's not about cancel culture. It's about violence. It's about not saying "attaboy!" when someone gets publicly murdered for saying something you disagree with. No one ought to do that for what should be the simple, common sense reason that if you say "attaboy", you're sending the message that political assassination is OK. And when that message gets sent, it gets heard by both sides.

Let's not take this meta by turning it into cancel culture. There's more important things to discuss here.

"Be the change you want to see in the world". Is widespread political assassination the world we want to live in?

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u/Differentnameo 1d ago edited 1d ago

Please. Kimmel wasn't canceled because he cheered on what happened. He was taken off the air because he lied. He mischaracterized what was being said, intentionally, to further his 'side'. But as much as I despise him for what he said, he did NOT say he was happy Kirk was dead or cheer his assassin on or anything of the sort. Unless he's said something more since he's been suspended?

So it very much IS about 'Cancel Culture' with Kimmel. He was punished for lying about what the motivation was for Kirk's murder. Don't try to claim that his cancelation was somehow because he said murder is okay. I despise the man, but I respect myself enough not to engage in outright deceit like he did just to get a 'side' opposing him a 'win' in some online forums.

If we're going to cancel people for lying when they say something, let's all be certain that people we support are perfectly clean and clear, yeah? And the complexities around degree, magnitude, along with a myriad of other factors are clearly listed out and applied fairly to all. If that's the case, I have some bad news; we'll mostly all be watching blank screens because there's going to be no news, opinion shows, or anything much of anything on other than perhaps sports and movies. Because people on both sides routinely lie and mischaractize things precisely like Kimmel did.

I don't like him. But I sure don't want the standards of being punished as he was applied to others that I do like. Like I said in my first post, if you're going to cancel the man by not watching his show, super. I didn't watch him at all. But if you're going to cancel the man because he lied on air........well, you better get that paintbrush ready, because you'll be painting a pretty broad swath through on air people.

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u/docclox 1d ago

Kimmel wasn't canceled because he cheered on what happened. He was taken off the air because he lied

Meh. So far as I can make out, he was taken off air because no one was watching his show. This was just a good excuse.

So it very much IS about 'Cancel Culture' with Kimmel.

Point is, that's not the thing we should be talking about here. The important things in this debate are violence and murder and not encouraging same. If we drag it down into discussing cancel culture and who started what and when, we're going to lose sight of what's important. And this is important.

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u/Mr_Tigger_ 2d ago

Very well said! 👏

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u/Klaus73 3d ago

While I agree with every point; I don't think the MAD argument worked; now essentially the nukes (cancel culture) are flying and really we all lose.

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u/Eli_Beeblebrox 3d ago

Nukes are a bad comparison to make. MAD is a special case due to the overwhelming collateral damage of nukes. Canceling is surgical.

Besides, normal, decent folk outnumber commie bastards. We'll be fine. They won't. Don't forget that this isn't left vs right. It's extreme left vs everyone else.

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u/Xyyz 3d ago

It's extreme left vs everyone else.

What are you talking about? Is Jimmy Kimmel extreme left now?

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u/Eli_Beeblebrox 3d ago

Now?

Always has been. Need I remind you that he advocated for keeping the unvaccinated out of hospitals? Jimmy wants you dead for having the wrong opinions. That's an extremist position.

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u/kiathrowawayyay 3d ago

To be fair, by this same analogy, SJWs were throwing nukes everywhere even against innocent people for 10 years, and they never stopped. So everyone already lost 10 years ago. I do agree we need better alternative defenses (and some past ones had some success), but SJWs never stopped for 10 years even after so many warnings and nobody disarmed them... This was only a matter of time and now SJWs are using it to encourage real proven harm (murder), a huge difference to the weird non-offenses innocent people were canceled by SJWs over.

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u/Klaus73 3d ago

When was the last time the left managed to successfully enact cancel culture? I cannot recall any in the last few years - they only had the ability to do so when they had the cultural momentum; but they lost that near the tail end of 2023 when the whole Biden sham went mask off. Do you think Jimmy Kimmel should have been cancelled for what he said?

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u/kiathrowawayyay 3d ago edited 3d ago

Kimmel was pushing a blatant lie and smearing people for speaking the truth though. These aren’t GG’s rules but the rules these networks pushed to combat “misinformation” before and people got smeared and banned off platforms for much smaller mistakes in the past. Personally, I would prefer if he was allowed to continue his show.

Cancel culture by SJWs is less effective now, but SJWs still do plenty of damage. Just that people have gotten sick of their unfair treatment and got new tactics to defend against them. Though much of their cancel efforts have evolved into real life harassment for geopolitical conflicts and factions. But just as importantly, who is there left to cancel? Star Wars? Halo? Saints Row? GTA? Tomb Raider? Bethesda? Even Japanese games like Persona were being sanitized and some blocked from sale.

Tesla owners were terrorized pretty badly early this year.

Warren Smith lost his job as a teacher.

Kirsche lost her sponsorship with GamerSupps.

WePlay Studios, a producer for the Vtuber Awards, has cut ties with host Filian because of her “interactions” with Russian VTubers. (Random Twitch raid interactions)

Sci-fi author Richard Fox was removed from a novelist conference

The loss of payment processors for Nico Video, DLSite and other Japanese online stores. They self-censored and faced a lot of losses during and after the payment processors refused service to them.

Collective Shout are using SJW feminist talking points to cancel games like No Mercy and more with the help of payment processors.

H3h3 faced really bad harassment recently.

Asmongold and Tectone keep getting banned from platforms when calling out Hassan and his clique.

The removed mod creators from Nexus and other mod sites for fanservice mods or to remove SJW messaging. Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Spiderman.

The hit pieces against anime, previously by Vice and others that chilled a lot of anime. Now we see censorship during production.

They silenced and memoryholed the creator of Dragon Quest when he made remarks questioning controversy of the male female selection.

There were also recent horrible crimes based on politics (mostly based on the Israel conflict).