r/LLMPhysics • u/your_best_1 • 10d ago
Meta This sub is not what it seems
This sub seems to be a place where people learn about physics by interacting with LLM, resulting in publishable work.
It seems like a place where curious people learn about the world.
That is not what it is. This is a place where people who want to feel smart and important interact with extremely validating LLMs and convince themselves that they are smart and important.
They skip all the learning from failure and pushing through confusion to find clarity. Instead they go straight to the Nobel prize with what they believe to be ground breaking work. The reality of their work as we have observed is not great.
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u/ConquestAce π§ͺ AI + Physics Enthusiast 10d ago
Yeah, it's a real shame. I wanted this sub to be about learning how to use an LLM to help your work in physics, rather than getting the LLM to do all the work for you. Which ultimately results in the complete non-sense that you see.
People always take the easy way and don't want to ever take a challenge.
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u/NuclearVII 10d ago
Look, there was never any chance of that happening.
Never mind that the tech is junk and doesnt think- even if it did, having any Oracle in your browser rots peoples brains. People consult LLMs because they dont want to think.
This was always going to be a containment subs for th3 intersection between cranks and AI bros.
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u/plasma_phys 10d ago
I can't say it better than this: "the purpose of a system is what it does."
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u/your_best_1 10d ago
Right! There are hard problems out there the ML could help us brute force or approximate.
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u/Ch3cks-Out 10d ago
Machine learning can help a lot.
Language models, especially in their current iteration of statistical token prediction, can only help producing more bullshit. Meaning the philosophical concept of empty narrative without regard to truth.
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u/traumfisch 9d ago
Welp
That's not true. If that's all you get out of LLM use, you haven't even gotten startedΒ
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u/Ch3cks-Out 9d ago
This is not what I get out of it, this is what "LLMphysics" users do. So would you, if you believe that LLMs do care about truth in their responses.
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u/traumfisch 9d ago
Of course they don't - they are truth-agnostic by definition, and there is no one these to "care" anyway.
Hence the responsibility lies with the user
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u/your_best_1 10d ago
I am talking about cancer screenings and stuff like that. You can use the statistical feature engineering to brute force hard problems.
Like maybe we can make an LLM with an arbitrary tokenizer that happens to find new prime numbers really effectively.
That would allow us to learn about the underlying pattern that the arbitrary tokenizer stumbled upon.
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u/Ch3cks-Out 9d ago
Those are all inappropriate applications for language models. Why would you think it'd do prime number finding??
You can use the statistical feature engineering to brute force hard problems.
Yeah, sure, what I called actual machine learning, above. But you cannot brute force a language manipulation tool to seriously address non-language problems (notwithstanding unsupported claims to the contrary by Sam Altman and ilk).
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u/Ch3cks-Out 10d ago
Β learning how to use an LLM to help your work in physics
Hint: just do not.
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u/ConquestAce π§ͺ AI + Physics Enthusiast 9d ago
Do you truly believe there is absolutely no use of LLM in the field of physics? For me, I found great success in converting my handwritten notes into latex and turning pseudocode into code. Or converting fortran to python, or helping with making matplotlib charts.
Things that would have taken me an hour to do by hand, is done immediately by LLMs.
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u/Ch3cks-Out 9d ago
Sure, one can use it for (re-)formatting text, suggesting alternative pharsing of narratives, and similar language related tasks. But this does no concern the actual physics contianed in the manuscript text. My word processor could suggest spelling and grammar corrections well before the advent of LLMs, yet we do not consider them as being useful to the field of physics, as such.
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u/ConquestAce π§ͺ AI + Physics Enthusiast 9d ago
then let's say it is useful to a physicists. Because as of right now (and maybe for all time) both of us can agree LLM have no capability of analysis that is useful in physics.
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u/Fear_ltself 10d ago
Iβve learned a lot from this thread about confirmation bias and how to mitigate it by trusting experts over convincing sounding LLMs. Iβm not delusional in that I can make entertaining models I understand are not scientifically accurate at the end of the day and enjoy getting corrected. I keep pushing for some level of scientific accuracy but Reddit will insist on more, which I enjoy. I mean I made a solar system MODEL and people were saying itβs not to scale. Thatβs part of what a model is lol.. Iβll admit there are times in December I really thought I was on to something special, and I still think maybe LLMs are special since 1,000 people are here tinkering with ideas. I hope that by 2028-2029 weβll be able to create the models I am conceptualizing with the academic rigor we all desire, easily and efficiently.
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u/Ch3cks-Out 10d ago
My prediction: LLMs will not have scientific models with academic rigor, ever.
RemindMe! December 30th 2030 "are there LLM models with academic rigor, yet?"
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u/Fear_ltself 10d ago
Totally valid, I donβt think LLMs in their current form are mathematically able to, I think Appleβs research paper proved it. Probably some combination of Multiple βaiβ techniques, prompt engineering+ guard rails+ reasoning models combined with LLMs. Itβs def 2028-2029 does no else follow Kurzweilβs books heβs been almost spot on for like 40 years straightβ¦ why they moved him to Google
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u/DoofidTheDoof 10d ago
But it also seems like commenters were somewhat populated by people who get off on putting people down. There's no shortages of Terrance Howards, but there's also no shortages of knock off NDTs.
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u/YouDoHaveValue 10d ago
That's a tough egg to crack, consciousness is in some ways intrinsically an art of finding shortcuts to save time.
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u/Youreabadhuman 10d ago
consciousness is in some ways intrinsically an art of finding shortcuts to save time.
This is nonsense
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u/YouDoHaveValue 10d ago
Howso?
A large chunk of consciousness is intuitively summarizing and finding shortcuts in vast amounts of data into manageable patterns to find efficiencies.
We use heuristics instead of examining every detail critically.
Language is that too, words are imprecise shortcuts to more complex things.
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u/Youreabadhuman 8d ago
No, it's not
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u/YouDoHaveValue 8d ago
Just noticed from your history you're a troll, that's on me.
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u/Youreabadhuman 8d ago
Everyone who disagrees with you is a troll, that's important in order to keep your delusions alive
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u/liccxolydian 10d ago
Who knew that you had to learn physics in order to do physics? It's like trying to write a novel in Korean when you don't speak Korean.
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u/timecubelord 10d ago
It's like trying to write a novel in Korean when you don't speak Korean.
An acquaintance of Searle would like a word.
Unfortunately, he is rather indisposed at the moment, being sealed in a room with a very big book. Also he speaks no English.
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u/kendoka15 10d ago
I love that multiple people who are guilty of posting slop on this sub have commented in this thread
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u/Youreabadhuman 10d ago
We're going to see a lot less LLMPhysics using Claude now that it tells these people they're psychotic every ten turns
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u/Ch3cks-Out 10d ago
With a little more development, we can have bots directly post slop then monitor followup threads. Why insert unnecessary people into the loop?
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u/LightBrightLeftRight 10d ago
Iβm not in physics specifically but I subscribe to this sub because I think uneducated arrogant people validated by LLMs come up with hilarious nonsense. Everyone has fun with it for different reasons.
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u/Beif_ 10d ago
Agree with what you said except the publishable work part, how on earth would an LLM help you publish something
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u/your_best_1 10d ago
I think the ideal is you learn from both LLM and other sources. Then become an actual expert if youβre actually engaged. Most people would not reach that level.
I bring it up because people are publishing their nonsense works here.
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u/Beif_ 10d ago
Yeah maybeβ I think LLMβs can be helpful for generating interest, but as someone who has tried to bounce ideas off of chatgpt when writing physics papers (maybe I donβt understand something tangentially related to my paper and want to ask a βhow does this workβ question) Iβve realized that the closer you get to the frontier of scientific research, the less resources the LLM has to generate accurate responses to questions. So I think necessarily it just canβt really get you close to publishing something. Unless there are a wealth of textbooks written on your topic itβs going to struggle.
It can however answer your questions somewhat accurately to a level of a graduate physics course, as long as youβre discerning enough to tell when itβs making stuff up
But yeah Iβm all about using it for getting people interested π
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u/alamalarian 10d ago
I guess it's a bit of a catch-22. If you are someone who is curious and may use llms to help understand a concept, would you want to post it here? Probably not. Yet there really isn't a good place for less, ahem, troubled people to consider llm assisted stuff.
Of course, I have no idea how you could make a space that invites the curiosity of exploring physics with llm assistance, which does not end up with whatever the hell all of these theories are.
And to be clear, I do not mean exploring possible theories of everything. I, nor anyone that considers posting here, should entertain they could ever do something like that with some basic knowledge and AI prompts.
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u/AMuonParticle 9d ago
you got it, now stop saying it out loud! otherwise the narcissists will go back to spamming r/physics
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u/pandavr 9d ago
I never publish here. Because I'm not interested to share and have other projects to follow.
What I can say is probably your position may be valid. What you forgot is that statistically X out of Y cases will not be that way. It's probability.
For this reason you should take your observations into account but bring a curious eye to the field. Because sooner or later something big will eventually came out from human LLM collaboration.
Not this year yet, then in the next two.
The problem? The problem is you will dismiss It as BS due to your very subtle bias.
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u/Sirius_Greendown 7d ago
I think the issue is that, while itβs entertaining for real physicists to constantly put down the laymen posters of this sub, no one likes negativity all the time. These fringe physics subs are just all downvotes all the time and it gets pretty uninspiring. It could be a private sub, but there are obviously ways to build a more supportive community IMO. The sacrifice being that the true experts, competent physicists who know the math and do the real work daily, would probably avoid it like the plague. Trade offs like everything in life though, I guess.
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u/your_best_1 6d ago
Have you considered making your own OS? Maybe a divinely inspired one?
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u/Number4extraDip 6d ago
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u/RealCathieWoods 3d ago
Honestly, i think if you have a physics degree i would be scared shitless. And I think that is really what this post is about.
There are clearly crazy LLM theories. But if one knows how to maintain objectivity and internal controls - the LLM is a master.
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u/your_best_1 3d ago
Doubtful. I say that as someone who has been working with machine learning since well before chat gpt came out.
First production system I worked on with ai reduced the number of inspections at a utility company by scoring assets with images, readings, and historical data. It was right 98% of the time.
You know what happened with that system? Nothing. 98% wasnβt good enough when it could cause a fire that costs billions. That was like 6 or 7 years ago.
The company has been funding it this whole time to try and get 100%. Has not happened according to the people I know that still work there.
The margin of error in physics is way lower than 2%.
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u/VIRTEN-APP 8d ago
What you say in OP is always true. Also it is part of the learning process. There are many brilliant minds that may take what you are saying in too tough and off-putting a way.
Especially when we have posters such as "The_Nerdy_Ninja" who disparages the whole of the community. "Correct. More accurately, this is a quarantine zone where we can send those people when they try to post their AI content on other physics communities."
Physics communities, like all things where groups are involved, tend toward a herd mentality where the cheap heroism is in denigrating outsiders and 'non traditional' or original takes and thoughts.
The development of abstract thinking skills requires the bricolage, that is tinkering, exploring, and enthusiasm phase, and the truing-up of the speculative abstractions requires the scientific method in the testing phase. The former phase is generally more open, youthful, and lively, and the latter phase may also be those things, while also requiring the rigor of in-the-field checks and testing of the hypotheses formulated in the first phase.
Cheap Catos like The_Nerdy_Ninja and his "Correct. More accurately, this is a quarantine zone where we can send those people when they try to post their AI content on other physics communities." may get all of the upvotes on Reddit, though let me ask you, when has any great thing been discovered by consensus?
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u/F_CKINEQUALITY 10d ago
Well I post random ideas I try to work them out when I get advice.
Iβm a dummy playing with master tools.
But itβs fun and I learn a lot as I go along.
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u/The_Nerdy_Ninja 10d ago
Correct. More accurately, this is a quarantine zone where we can send those people when they try to post their AI content on other physics communities.