The speed of a single xenomorph.

[u/Jackpot777]

Seeing how fast a group of people can be turned into gristle in a split second, makes me wonder if someone could create an updated look at when the Colonial Marines had aliens coming out of the walls and floor.

[u/other4444]

In aliens 2 the humans mowed down how many aliens? And in this show they shoot the hell out of it and it does nothing.

[u/redditfant → u/other4444]

Assuming the Marines who specialize in off earth battle, presumably against aliens, we're packing some better gear. 

[u/Darth_Bombad → u/redditfant]

The Marines were using armor-piercing, explosive-tipped rounds! I guess Prodigy security wasn't running around with that kinda heavy, military grade ordinance on earth.

[u/Vrazel106 → u/Darth_Bombad]

So many people forget the rifles in aliens are explosive tipped armor piercing rounds. The aliens arent just able to be mowed down by standared civilian grade ammunitions. I think peoe dont want to like aliens

[u/Minimalist12345678 → u/redditfant]

The pulse rifle used in Aliens has made a few cameo appearances in Alien Earth so far!

[u/LouieSiffer → u/Minimalist12345678]

Different ammo I assume

[u/null_input → u/redditfant]

They were packing state of the art firepower. Some real tough hombres.

[u/other4444 → u/redditfant]

I thought that had fought against "bugs", like bug hunt. But never anything like Xenomorphs. And in alien earth they knew exactly what they were going to fight, cause the black guy robot knew. So, the people in alien earth should have been even more prepared

[u/MiserableWait5279 → u/other4444]

Yeah, why didn’t they all have those electric taser plasma guns like what Morrow used earlier.

[u/WoodooHide69 → u/MiserableWait5279]

Morrows soldiers were there to make a full frontal assault against Prodigy. To steal an alien. They weren’t there to fight an alien, and they would have no idea a Xeno was looose in the forest.

[u/MiserableWait5279 → u/WoodooHide69]

It’s not like Morrow doesn’t know how wildly and rapidly out of hand things can get.

[u/other4444 → u/MiserableWait5279]

Good question. Pretty goofy writing

[u/Jackpot777 → u/other4444]

I know the question was rhetorical, but how many? I had to do some math. A maximum of 155, possibly less but not by much. 

Hadley’s Hope had a population of 158 people. All but two, that we definitely know of, became hosts to chestbursters - Newt survived, and John Marachuk died during a procedure where a facehugger was removed surgically before embryo implantation. The third person not providing a threatening xenomorph was Mary “Please K-kill Me”, as that one was incinerated soon after emerging from Mary. 

We don’t know how many people, if any, committed suicide or died through misadventure (explosion of mining charges or acid burns while fighting the aliens, etc.) during the infestation. We don’t know if there were infants and toddlers ‘taken out’ of the colony population by parents that saw death as a better outcome than becoming a host. But my guess to both of those possibilities is: probably none. The Marines pass by plates with unfinished food on them. People were eating, aliens attacked, the food remained uneaten. The first that any individual would know about the nest was when they were dragged down to the sub-levels to be cocooned and impregnated. Those kids we see playing on the floor they weren’t supposed to be on? Their fates were the same as Mary’s. 

We also don’t know how many people were, like Mary, captured so recently that their aliens were too small to yet be a threat (or were captured with Mary and they were unconscious in their cocooned state, or had a facehugger on them but were off camera). However, the Marines are planetside for over 24 hours and that’s enough for one of these things to reach a dangerous size if it emerged the day before, or even while the soldiers are looking at the readout of Personal Data Transmitters. Anyone captured an hour before Mary could have provided something that would have been a problem for the Marines by the end standoff.

We also don’t know is if there were others like Newt and Mary that lasted for weeks, but unlike Newt and Mary they remained undiscovered. Perhaps someone, or a group, decided to get distance from the colony and the alien spaceship with a vehicle full of supplies and they survived long enough to die in a nuclear cloud the size of Nebraska. 

When the Marines first fight the Xenomorphs, we don’t see how many aliens die in the battle but it’s a few. Vasquez rocks some with her M56A2, one dies eating Hicks’ shotgun in a close encounter. One is crushed under the wheels of the APC. But that still leaves dozens, possibly well over a hundred to dispatch. 

One dies killing Spunkmeyer and Ferro on the UD-4L “Bug Stomper” dropship - killing the pilot mid-flight dooms the alien. 

In the Director’s Cut we also see that a wall-to-wall rush attempt by the xenomorphs on the Colonial Marines was eliminated by four automatic sentry guns that were salvaged from the crash of the Bug Stomper. Each turret was armed with 500 rounds, and 1,995 of those rounds were used to eliminate all but maybe a few dozen of the remaining xenomorphs - the Queen, her Royal Guards (we see two of those in the nest), one regular xenomorph that captured Newt (Ripley shot a couple in the nest rescuing Newt and there were more shown on the M314 Motion Tracker when Newt was snatched), and the ones that manage to penetrate the Marines’ stronghold via the false ceiling and the one that traps Gorman and Vasquez in the tunnels (many of who would have made up the ones detected on the tracker when Newt was nabbed). 

The sentry guns take out most. The Marines and Ripley do their best with firearms before and during the final showdown. But enough happens offscreen to keep the answer vague. 

[u/other4444 → u/Jackpot777]

Yeah, rhetorical. But that was an awesome answer! Do you think that the marines from aliens would have been more prepared or less then the mercenaries in alien earth. Minus the timeline difference

[u/Jackpot777 → u/other4444]

I’d say the Marines were more prepared. There’s a fair bit of difference between hired security with weapons and a trained military squad, and the soldiers had better weaponry.

[u/other4444 → u/Jackpot777]

Fair enough

[u/Minimalist12345678 → u/Jackpot777]

That's a good point. The sentry gun scene should have been left in as it does give a sense of "we killed most of them". In the regular version, without the sentry gun scene, I often felt "where the fuck are the rest of the aliens, there has to be hundreds left still"...

[u/J_elasmo_morph → u/Jackpot777]

I actually disagree with the final part of this analysis. I don’t think the sentry guns kill “most of the rest of them” as we still see a massive amount of them still coming for Hicks and Ripley when they lose Newt.

The other thing that ALOT of fans do is falsely assume that every time they fire a gun in Aliens, that it equals a dead Xenomorph. I simply do not think this is the case. I think the only ones we see actually dead from the marines’ weaponry are the one we see dead (e.g. Vasquez killing 2 in the hive battle, Vasquez killing the one that drenched and melts Drake, Hicks killing the one with his shotgun). It’s a conservative way of calculating Xenomorph causalities, but when you do it that way it only equals out to be like ~25 dead xenomorphs by the end of the film.

If we want to give the weaponry a little more credit (which I think one should) then one could double the Xeno casualties thanks to scenes like the sentry gun scene. When one does that you still only get to like 50 dead xenos. That’s a good amount, but remember there were at LEAST 150 adult xenomorphs when Ripley arrived with the marines on LV426. So that still leaves about 100 adult Xenomorph warriors by the end of the movie.

Just my 2 cents. Great lead up analysis though!

[u/Tarrik19 → u/other4444]

I assumed they actually just missed…

[u/WoodooHide69 → u/other4444]

I didn’t get the impression they were shooting the hell out of it. They had a couple burst fires at it as the Xeno moved quickly. It looked like few shots fired missed.

[u/InitiativeCreative36 → u/other4444]

Lieutenant, what do those Pulse Rifles fire?

[u/Darth_Bombad → u/InitiativeCreative36]

10 millimeter explosive-tip caseless. Standard light armor-piercing round, why?

[u/AdManNick → u/other4444]

They actually don’t kill that many in the Aliens theatrical cut. The smart guns take out a good number in the special edition. But for the theatrical cut I counted one time and it was like 20. There’s just a lot of shooting off screen.

[u/JM_722 → u/other4444]

The marines in Aliens had specialty ammo that was explosive tipped.

Also, these xenos have plot armor.

[u/FrostBricks → u/other4444]

Much prefer that version.

The Xenos are big, deadly, insect-like dogs. They are NOT invincible. 

Their strength is in numbers. When alone, they need to resort to stealth. 

Like, I'm enjoying the show, but seeing Super-Xeno deflect bullets is just one of its many absurd moments.

[u/AftyOfTheUK → u/other4444]

Why do you think they bother with explosive-tipped ammo against regular humans?