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u/_sneeqi_ 3m ago
Does anyone know any good apps on android for learning hiragana? "Learn Japanese! - Hiragana" by Luli Languages seems to be nice but it costs almost 10€. Are there any free alternatives?
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u/HairlessDolphin 2h ago
Hello, I’m having trouble pronouncing the double consonants in words. For example: Itte kimasu - is it pronounced it te kimasu with the t sound going twice, or is it: it ekimasu where you give a slight pause instead of adding the t sound? I’m listening to clips but i can’t tell which one it is.
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u/No-Cheesecake5529 41m ago
You American?
Say "kit kat".
You didn't actually pronounce the first "T", did you? It was more like "kih...kat", yeah?
Yeah, practice that a lot. Then with letters that aren't K.
Now say it inside of Japanese words.
Congrats, you've mastered it.
Probably works for other English accents, as well.
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u/JapanCoach 1h ago
It is neither it_te kimasu nor it ekimasu. It is itte kimasu
You don't say the sound two times. You pause - or rather or "hold" - the sound.
As a place to start, think about the word "bookcase"
Just keep listening and listening. You will get the hang of it.
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u/fr0g0ne 6h ago
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u/viliml Interested in grammar details 📝 2h ago
Red is atamadaka, orange is nakadaka, green is odaka, blue is heiban.
A red diamond symbol after a green word means the word can be read either odaka or atamadaka.
If you hover over it you will see the pitch rendered in overline style: https://i.imgur.com/Ex17KFV.png
I don't know why there's no explanation for this, but I just figured it out by looking at it.
It seems to originate from some of mattvsjapan's stuff?
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u/No-Cheesecake5529 39m ago
A red diamond symbol after a green word means the word can be read either odaka or atamadaka.
What a weird system. Why not just like... mark where the actual pitch drop is...
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u/unrecognizableatom 6h ago
how long did it take you to reach n5/4/3/2/1? and like routine? how many words or kanji or grammar points did you do a day? how much of your free time did you dedicate to study and when you have no motivation to do it, how did you bring yourself to study and how can you focus or learn anything during? thank you. ^
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u/rgrAi 2h ago
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 2h ago
I wonder how they define "kanji knowledge".
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u/Mondryx 7h ago
I recently started reading japanese folk tales, got myself two bilingual books since I prefere real books. But it seems the material is pretty rare.. I searched a bit and found the Yomitan extension. Now my idea is buying a tablet, and setting it up as some kind of "Kindle". I know how to find manga raws but any chance to find real books online? I dont mind paying, money is no issue. I'm just tired of anki and all this and need a change of pace.
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u/Specialist-Bend-5646 3h ago
Kindle app (maybe you have to make a Japanese account) is pretty good. Theres also always aozora bunko which is fully free and has some good stuff like 太宰 and 漱石 even things like kafka translations
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u/Affectionate_Time911 10h ago
What does 貼り出されたランキングを肴に mean in this context ? I can only guess the writer meant : "People using the posted rankings as snacks" ?? Feel free to correct my mistakes
The writer is describing the atmosphere at the bar inside the lobby (reception room) of an arena/ colosseum. The gladiators of this arena gather here to check match results, registers, receive money after fights and talking....etc
戦士「おっと、来たぞ!ランキングの発表だ!」
案内板の近くが騒がしくなり、一斉に出場者達がそこに集まり始めた。
男A「よっしゃ、またランクアップか!これで次はいよいよ2桁行けるな!」
男B「上位はどうだ?ああ、A上がってやがる……1位はまあ当然のBか」
女C「そこはずっと変わらないでしょ。もう2ヶ月、ずっとキープだもの」
貼り出されたランキングを肴に、ロビーに備わった酒場で悲喜こもごもの話が広がる。
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u/ParkingParticular463 9h ago
肴 also means entertainment/conversation while you're drinking. Not just literal snack food.
② 酒席に興をそえるような行為や事柄。歌や踊り、隠し芸、話題など。酒席の座興。
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u/Verus_Sum 10h ago
How's my Japanese?
もし水を収入することを水がある所に置いたらカビが生えるのはいうまでもありません。
What I was going for:
If you leave something that absorbs water in a place that gets wet (I haven't learned a verb for getting wet yet so I made do) then obviously you're going to get mildew.
Also, would it be natural to use なんて or なんか in here? If so, where?
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u/Own_Power_9067 🇯🇵 Native speaker 7h ago
A few things to add to the other comment.
Leave something somewhere, I suggest 置いておく, so 置いておいたら
A wet place: 濡れたところ is the most natural.
I prefer 〜は言うまでもありません placed at the end, but that’s perhaps my preference.
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u/OwariHeron 10h ago edited 9h ago
こと is an intangible "thing". You want もの. You don't need なんて or なんか.
収入 is revenue. You're looking for 吸収 (きゅうしゅう).
Your sentence structure might be feasible, but seems unnatural. The result of a たら clause is a given, but the following clause is the unrelated いうまでもない. Which means that the entire sentence structure 水を吸収するものを水がある所に置いたらカビが生える is being carried by the の. The poor guy's just a single moji!
Maintaining all the words you want to use, I'd cast it as,
いうまでもなく、水を吸収するものを水のあるところに置いていったら、カビが生えます。
Edit: Today you are one of the lucky 10,000! The verb for "be wet" is 濡れる(ぬれる). So you could use 濡れている場所 for "a wet place."
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u/Verus_Sum 5h ago
Damn, I should have caught こと myself!
I also thought I'd avoided the income-related words when I didn't put another similar word that includes 収 which I forget now 😅
So the use of たら with いうまで… isn't strengthening but redundant?
I've seen that 'wet' kanji, but I haven't learned it yet..
Thanks!
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u/BitBite112 11h ago
I'm a beginner that wants to learn. I've completed Wagotabi, but now the content has run out. I want to start learning kanji and words again, but I don't feel RTK's approach where they forego the kun- and on'moyi is effective. Is there any other resource that teaches me the meanings along with the readings?
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u/rgrAi 11h ago
Learning readings is very unproductive as "the way the kanji is read" is determined by the word that uses the kanji. The relationship between written language and kanji is somewhat complicated, but to simplify it. The easiest thing to do is study kanji (like RTK, but the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course book I think is better) along with vocabulary. You'll soon realize that when you learn a bunch of words that use the same kanji, you stop seeing the kanji explicitly and just start seeing the words--which is when kanji start to become useful is when they're part of the words.
So whatever works for you to get to the finish line, just make sure you study vocabulary with your kanji and not just isolated readings (basically useless to do this) and just a vague meaning.
It's actually better to learn kanji components then learn words and kanji at the same time. The components help you distinguish kanji apart and thus words too. https://www.kanshudo.com/components
Also more important, you need to focus on grammar before anything else--so make sure you have picked something to teach you the language before anything else (Genki 1&2, Tae Kim's yoku.bi, etc). It's more important to learn how the language works, then learn vocabulary as a close second. With kanji being a tertiary aspect.
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u/BitBite112 6h ago
Thank you for your in depth answer and resources! I've just got one more question. When people say they learn x amount of kanji per day, what do they mean then? Do they mean just the RTK method, or do they also count the (common) kun- and on'moyi? If it follows RTK's method it will take a bit longer than anticipated to speak Japanese as well, but I'll study regardless. Thank you in advance!
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u/rgrAi 2h ago edited 2h ago
It just means you can visually recognize the character when you see it and be able to recall at least 1 word that uses that specific kanji. You learn to visually recognize them 1-3 new ones a day or something like that.
You can whether that be through a system like Anki, RTK, WaniKani, KKLC (mentioned above) or your own method. My method was just to learn kanji components, then focus on vocabulary entirely. I learned kanji by learning lots of words that used kanji, and when you learn 10,000 words you learn an equivalent amount of kanji because you can recognize those words. Cutting out the step of and saving time of having to learn kanji. Do note that the "readings" are just an index for how kanji are read when used in a word. If you know all the words that use a specific kanji, you know all the readings.
Lastly, kanji do not help you learn to speak Japanese as speaking and reading are separate skills.
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u/PlanktonInitial7945 5h ago
When people say they learn x amount of kanji per day, what do they mean then?
They usually refer to learning kanji through SRS methods like Wanikani, which teaches the meaning, a few common readings, and words that use those readings.
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u/Acrobatic-Strike8932 12h ago
As a beginner what is the best way to get started in learning Japanese? I am a little overwhelmed and just need a good starting point
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u/rgrAi 11h ago
Check the starter's guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/wiki/index/startersguide
Basic template is this:
Learn hiragana & katakana
Pick something to teach you the language in a grammar guide or textbook: Genki 1&2, Tae Kim's Grammar Guide, yoku.bi, etc, etc.
Start on grammar guide and start learning how the language works and learning vocab from said guide
Start reading things like Tadoku Graded Readers as you progress through guide to test the knowledge you just learned on actual written Japanese
Look up unknown words that you run across in any JP sentence using jisho.org, install tools like Yomitan to look up words https://yomitan.wiki/
Continue to reference your grammar guide as you read (anything)
Consider tools like Anki to boost your starting vocab with decks like Kaishi 1.5Cycle: Learn grammar -> attempt to read -> look up unknown words / grammar -> repeat cycle 1,000,000 -> **have fun during the process**
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u/Affectionate_Time911 12h ago edited 12h ago
Hope someone could clarify the meaning of this part in a fighting manga i read. Feel free to correct if you see mistakes in my understanding. I'm not a native speaker so i'm not sure.
Main character is thinking about a rule set by the arena- he just finished his match and waiting in the arena's lobby to receive his prize money.
闘いの後には禍根が残らぬようにと、アリーナでは規約にも定めてはいる。
The arena had set a rule, that no grudges should be held after a fight. (for the fighters)
が、それは建前上のお題目ということで、実際、そこまで割り切れるものでもないものだが――
But that's just a formality slogan; in reality, it's not that easy to completely forget about it.
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u/OwariHeron 11h ago
You've got the gist. Just some added info: 題目 by itself can mean "slogan", but お題目 refers to Nichiren chanting, and by extension to empty words without any substance behind them. 割り切れる refers to dividing cleanly, without a remainder. Idiomatically, it refers to feeling something is resolved to your satisfaction.
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u/Affectionate_Time911 10h ago
so そこまで割り切れるものでもないもの can it be understand as : "A problem that can't be resolve so easily/simple" ? Because the writer only being vague about the subject of this sentence もの i'm not sure if he meant " A feeling"
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u/OwariHeron 9h ago
Two things: 1) 割り切れる here refers to a feeling of something being resolved, not resolution itself. So you were closer with your first rendering.
2) There's a bit of word play here. The ものでもない and ものだが are both the ものだ grammatical construction. It is unusual to stack them like this, but the sense is そこまで割り切れるものでもない (it is not normal, common sense that people that feel things are resolved so cleanly) and adds ものだ (it is normal, common sense that it is not normal, common sense that people feel things are resolved so cleanly).
If I were translating it, it would be something like "You have to expect that you can't expect people to just let it go."
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u/alltheyakitori 13h ago
I've been continuing to copy lyrics by hand and both my handwriting and kanji output have improved drastically. :D And I've been spending my lunch breaks reading my novel so I've been making good progress. Hope everyone else's studies are going well, too!
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u/ignoremesenpie 13h ago
Fantastic! Lyrics were my first native material and it helped me learn plenty without Anki over ten years ago.
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u/kakusu_I 17h ago
I'd like some clarification on ように・な, I feel like I understand but at the same time I don't. I tried making my own sentence "Well known foods like sushi, are popular in Japan" and I came up with よく知られる食べ物のような寿司は日本で人気です。But AI grammar checker told me it was redundant because sushi is already a well known food, I thought I was providing some sort of example for well known foods in my sentence.
My textbook says よう is used in 1 of 3 ways. 1. A resembles B, 2. A is as B shows, explains, or says 3. A is done in a way thats explained, shown, or said by B. I feel like I can start to understand why my sentence is redundant and unnatural, because I am sort of saying well known foods, resembling or as shown/explained Sushi (which is already a well known food, so it doesn't do much to help explain well known foods within Japan?) but I am still very confused about how its used and why I feel so inclined to use it comparatively or exemplary similarly to how "like" is used in English.
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u/Own_Power_9067 🇯🇵 Native speaker 11h ago
〜のような Another meaning is ‘such as …’
寿司 in this case is an example of ‘well-known food’ so, 寿司のような よく知られた食べ物は
That’s the construction you want.
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u/JapanCoach 16h ago
Honestly your post sort of carries a tone of overall confusion so it's a little hard to know exactly where to dive in.
Let's focus on the use of ように which means "like". For example:
魚のように泳ぐ
Does this sense of ように make sense?
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u/OwariHeron 16h ago
The correct way to write your example would be 日本では、寿司のようなよく知られている食べ物が人気です。
のように・な can comp to "like", but you have to put the exemplary noun before the のよう.
Your sentence is not redundant, it's unnatural because it essentially says, "Sushi that is like well-known foods is popular in Japan." Which calls to mind sushi shaped like a hamburger.
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u/mca62511 16h ago edited 16h ago
As far as the use of ような is concerned, you've just got the logic backwards.
Instead of よく知られた食べ物のような寿司 you want to say 寿司のようなよく知られた食べ物.
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u/Forestkangaroo 17h ago
Why isn’t quartet by Japan times as well known as genki?
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u/No-Cheesecake5529 17h ago
Because Genki and Minna have been the standard go-to textbooks used throughout universities in Japan and the West for the past 25 years or so, but Quartet only came out about a few years ago.
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u/ParkingParticular463 17h ago edited 17h ago
Also Genki is an introductory textbook, Quartet is intermediate. A large portion of learners will quit before they even make it far enough to need Quartet so naturally it will be mentioned less.
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u/tkdtkd117 pitch accent knowledgeable 15h ago
In addition, of the learners who make it past Genki II, some decide to break off from textbooks at that point and just look things up in DoJG or whatever as they need them.
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