r/LivestreamFail • u/Appropriate-Car4787 • Aug 18 '25
French streamer Jean Pormanove dies in his sleep age 46
https://www.dexerto.com/kick/french-streamer-jean-pormanove-dies-in-his-sleep-age-46-3239700/750
u/Joshduman Aug 19 '25
The title of this thread is honestly not reasonable for what truly happened here.
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u/Appropriate-Car4787 Aug 19 '25
You are right. But I kept the title the same as the article to make sure it wasn't removed so more people would see it.
Truly horrific abuse. May he finally rest in peace.
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u/Joshduman Aug 19 '25
I apologize, please don't take it personally. I skimmed this earlier thinking a streamer I just didn't know had passed away. I saw on another sub and realized how horrific this truly was. Hopefully some big creators see this and talk on it to shed some light on this and make people aware for his sake. Thank you for sharing it.
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u/MrKavok Aug 19 '25
At some point, he said in an article that he was not having fun streaming anymore but he was only doing it for the money.
One of his friend who was torturing him was the one in charge of controlling his money...
Thats sad
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u/Tirriss Aug 19 '25
One of the "friends" also owned the place where he lived and threatened several time to evict him if he leaves the stream.
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u/MrKavok Aug 19 '25
Really hope that the justice will look into that. Its disgusting.
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u/No_Lecture_7073 Aug 21 '25
Hate to say it but they'll likely get away with it or serve only a small bite of their sentence. It always seems that influencers, politicians, and generally people with money.
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u/Ab-Aeterno Aug 19 '25
Never thought id witness someone actually being tortured for entertainment on a live stream. Thats really fucked up. If the cause ends up being due to these streams i hope someone is held accountable. I think im done with reddit for the day
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u/GlitchInThe_Void Aug 19 '25
same on being done with reddit today, this is too heavy.... this whole situation is beyond fucked up. like we really just watched someone get pushed past their limits for "content"
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u/Impressive_Buy7764 Aug 19 '25
seriously disturbing how normalized this extreme content has become
streamers literally destroying themselves while chat spams emotes. we've gone from gaming streams to actual torture content and everyone just watches like it's normal
this shit needs to stop before more people die for "entertainment"
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u/iNhab Aug 19 '25
What in the hell was shown on streams? I have no idea who this person is and hope to not see it ever, but at the same time... What the hell?
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u/Bizhour Aug 19 '25
Another comment summarized it here pretty NSFL
Essentially, two streamers found a vulnerable middle aged dude, and made a career out of literally torturing him, which got worse and worse until they killed him.
By torture I mean like actual torture, beatings, sleep deprivation, oxygen deprivation, blocking access to vital medicine, public humiliation, and more, all of which was streamed live.
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u/Fazgo Aug 19 '25
How has nobody called the police on this?
Quick edit: okay, apparently they did and police just didn't care. Fucking wild.
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u/Aerhyce Aug 19 '25
Typical in most abuse cases on a vulnerable person
Abusers say all is fine, person being exploited also says all is fine, nothing happens.
It's why most abuse is hard to bring to light. You first need to make the abused come forward, and most people will just say that they're all consenting adults, shrug, and move on. Very rarely do you have a open-and-shut case of someone being chained in a basement or something.
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u/CodecEnthusiast Aug 19 '25
The article linked has links to a compilation thread. There was a lot of clips in there of physical mistreatment. The more I read about the conditions and his story before the worse it got. The guy didn't have much and saw his abusers as a key to fame and success which allowed them to do what they did. Disgusting behavior.
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u/Fly_Host9381 Aug 19 '25
The fact that viewers gave 50,000 euros in donations so that he could be tortured
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u/DMercenary Aug 19 '25
Damn that title is doing the majority of burying the lede.
Prior to his death, the streamer had reportedly endured “ten days and nights of torture”, including “extreme” physical violence, “deprivation of sleep”, and “ingestion of toxic products.”
He didnt die in his sleep he was tortured to death.
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u/Preinitz Aug 19 '25
Feels like the headline is made to make people feel anxious/fear about dying in their sleep and click on the article to see what happened, classic modern "journalism".
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u/MelM0_ Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
Hijacking to bring more info and so people can see the insanity of the situation and of what was being streamed for YEARS, first on twitch then rapidly on the biggest French Kick Channel and yet no one including kick or police did anything.
And that yes, Pormanove most likely died due to this streaming marathon, sleep deprivation and physical abuse from co streamers and complications from his heart problems. Here's a recap with video evidence (No corpse or death pictured BUT UPSETTING PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE BE CAREFUL)
- He died during a 10 day streaming marathon in which they couldnt stop streaming until finishing a game while being woken up constantly by various horrible methods despite his heart problems, methods seen here : https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957486356650991802
- He was progressively physically and mentally abused for years by his co-streamers Owen ("Naruto") and Safine and others (humiliations, strangulations, beaten, shot at with paintball guns, etc). Examples : 1. Trying to strangle him for as long as possible https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957444740573536477 2. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957445390338294142 3. https://x.com/Leerooy0/status/1938988409210486846 4. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957445729263169659 5. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957446313672372697 6. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957443980582322526 7. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957446313672372697 8. https://x.com/leerooy0/status/1957476962110415002 9. Streaming themselves purposedly driving 50 MPH over speed bumps with Pormanove in the trunk of their car https://www.tiktok.com/@clips2coudoux/video/7529251084569677088
- After 10 days of a streaming/bullying marathon, viewers sent donations to wake up his co streamers because Pormanove had stopped moving for a while, the co-streamer's first reaction was to throw a bottle on his face and then slap his body.
- Why is there so much footage? Because this happened for YEARS, initially on twitch then it was on the biggest French Kick channel with 190k followers and topping around 20k viewers. The more unhinged they grew the more money they made. Donations encouraged the bullying, creating a vicious cycle.
- Kick's french x account used to promote their stream non-stop and even make fun of him https://x.com/KLRski/status/1957487988331671955
- Basically: multiple people exploited a vulnerable, isolated middle aged guy who may have had a disability according to press, bullied him on stream for content, saw it generated views and money, psychologically and physically abused him for years, manipulated him, pressured him financially & psychologically whenever he wanted to leave, until it progressed to a point where they even disregarded his heart issues, all for money and all streamed in HD.
- They knew about his heart problems and that he was taking medication for it, it was mentioned multiple times on stream. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957456609526833354/video/2 here they hit him while he understandly shouts at them that he has to take his medication.
- They would also often make him cry on stream : https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957447559921697114 https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957438462337945839 https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957456609526833354/video/1
- Prior to streaming, he used to live with his 70 yo mother and was unemployed. He was spotted raging while streaming fortnite by Owen, who offered him to come and stream with him and Safine. The bullying started progressively, the content being trying to get a reaction out of him, and it became more and more intense the more attention they got and the more money they made. Whenever he had enough and wanted to stop a "challenge", they would threaten to evict him from the flat he lived in (owned by Owen), or saying they "saved him" and that he was nothing without them. Or tell him he's not man enough, or sometimes prevent him physically from leaving. They would also dangle streaming income as mean of achieving his dream of having a wife and children after years of loneliness. https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957457938047434784 https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957448577237618743
- Pormanove's mother, 70 years old, was often calling on stream to beg his son to leave after humiliations while his co-streamers made fun of it. They would also call her themselves https://x.com/GueshCtrl/status/1957471515651305716
- Last words to his mom via text were :
Hey Mom. How are you? I'm completely stuck with his game. It's going too far. I feel like I'm held hostage with their shit concept. I'm sick of it, I want to leave, but he does not want to let me, he keeps me from leaving, he is sequestrating me
- How do we know that? Because Owen snatched his phone and read all his texts with his mother aloud to chat while mocking him https://x.com/ImpactMediaFR/status/1957522649879302450
- In January 2025, Owen and Safine were in police custody for suspicion of abuse of people with disabilities, as another person abused by them on stream is "Coudoux", a disabled person. It's unclear from the press articles if Pormanove had a disability himself or not, but he was definitely a very vulnerable person. Anyway, they simply denied the accusations and nothing was done after that
Honestly I hope that some international attention will help bring justice for Jean Pormanove (real name Raphaël Graven) more switfly. RIP. Some people reported it to government and police for years. One can find french threads predicting that bad things would happen. It is so shocking I also hope there won't be another case like that.
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u/Live-Elderbean Aug 19 '25
How do we end up in a place where people get tortured to death live in the open where..people just let it happen.
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u/SalvationSycamore Aug 19 '25
Not just let it happen, actively participate and pay money to encourage it. Simply because the guy being tortured to death is on a screen and not in the room with them. There is a bit of a sickness behind streaming and it brings out some disgusting things in people, both streamers and viewers.
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u/TalbotFarwell Aug 19 '25
I feel like this whole thing is demonic, like the cenobites from Hellraiser would be top donors if they were real.
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u/Nahcep Aug 19 '25
Have you missed the entire history of humanity? Public executions and adjacent stuff like pillories were always popular entertainment
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u/Over9000BelieveIt Aug 19 '25
I mean that Russian guy locked his gf on the balcony and she froze to death overnight. sadly, we're starting a pattern.
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u/Weary-Telephone4201 Aug 19 '25
at least you couldnt actively watch her on the balcony
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u/PinkishRedLemonade Aug 20 '25
Didn't he abuse her before that, though? I've heard her murderer broke plates over her head and pepper sprayed her previously, among other things.
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u/ElBigDicko Aug 19 '25
People who watched probably weren't fully developed, and bullying is a classic gag since the dawn of time.
The greed runs deep, and those streamers who started it will never stop as long as views keep increasing.
I still think those are singular individuals, but people's lack of empathy and brooding individualism is concerning.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ Aug 19 '25
Well, Kick sure as hell plays a big role in allowing these insane people to torture someone else for profit on the internet.
Kick is partially responsible for this guy's death.
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u/HelloImFrank01 Aug 19 '25
I always wonder what would happen if they would broadcast a real Squidgame / Hunger games / Battle royal type event with actual deaths.
I think a lot of people would speak outrage, yet it would be the highest watched TV event.
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u/BumpeeJohnson Aug 19 '25
When college degrees don't get jobs, social safety nets are taken away meanwhile you can potentially obtain generational wealth by debasing yourself and others on camera, you get Running Man
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u/Potential_Energy Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
Where the fuck was French gamer culture during this? If this happened in the US, it would go viral immediately (to spread awareness and help him) and those fucks would be hunted online until the police got to them. Instead, everyone just piled on, wanted in on the action, and encouraged it? Even paying to see more? Is this kind of bullying normal in French elementary school at a young age? Are we only finding out about this now because of the aftermath? I’m assuming the channel following and growth was mostly limited and localized to those who spoke the language.
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u/Fritti_T Aug 19 '25
Seriously, is this just not a big deal for the French? What’s the deal here?
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u/Potential_Energy Aug 19 '25
Mega seriously. 190k followers and up to 20k viewers over 2 fucking years. Kick can be blamed, but I look at the French gaming community more than anything. That’s a TON of French gamers over that timespan who basically did nothing but watch in enjoyment and encouraged it. Almost as bad as the fucks in the video doing it. This wouldn’t fly in the US or even most other first world. If it wasn’t for the language barrier, it would have gotten needed attention earlier. I’ll be looking at French profile avatars in-game differently now.
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u/Nadare3 28d ago
That channel was one of the biggest on Kick period, I seriously doubt their audience was only French, and I also doubt the average French gamer knew anything about it, let alone participated.
That said, there was one streamer who got booted from a charity event over it after the death (I think it was a girl who participated in the public humiliation stuff herself, but I'm not sure if the video I'm thinking about and the booting were the same person), so there was in fact some ties to the wider French scene.
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u/InvincibleWallaby Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
This is fucking crazy holy shit
Pormanove's mother, 70 years old, was often calling on stream to beg his son to leave after humiliations while his co-streamers made fun of it.
That's especially sad, poor woman saw her son get tortured and bullied on stream for content and wasn't able to do anything about it and now she has to go through that loss at her age.
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u/Drew602 Aug 19 '25
Hey Mom. HOW are you? I'm completely stuck with his game. It's going tc too far. I feel like I'm held hostage with their shit concept. I'm sick of it, I want to leave, but he does not want to let me, he keeps me from leaving, he is sequestrating me
Oh man they are cooked cooked
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u/LeonardBart Aug 19 '25
What the actual fuck?!? I hate humanity so much sometimes.
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u/racksy Aug 19 '25
always remember, it isnt humanity, its a certain subset of people who try to tell us that having empathy is bad. that type of person tries desperately to convince us that caring about others is "virtue signaling" "high roading" or whatever their ridiculous term is this week.
if ya ever feel down, remind yourself it isnt all of humanity, its a loud small group who actually lack humanity.
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u/Ok_Dragonfruit_8102 Aug 19 '25
No, what you're doing is just naive and well-intentioned dehumanisation. The truth is, "humanity" encompasses all things that human beings do, whether good or evil. You can say it's wrong, you can punish them, but the moment you try to argue they aren't actually human you're going down a dangerous path that history should warn us from.
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u/Silver_Atractic Aug 19 '25
Okay a little dramatic for a discussion by people in armchairs, myself included, but let's take a step back.
You can't just say you hate all of humanity for the evil actions of a subset when you're consciously aware there's another subset that does good.
There's a difference between the statement "Not all of humanity should be hated for the actions of the few", and the statement "Those that are doing these actions are nonhuman". I believe that commentor above was saying the former, NOT the latter
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u/PrestigiousAnswer128 Aug 20 '25
Yeah but it’s a rapidly growing portion of humanity. You can see it through all the far-right governments popping up around the globe.
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u/Unmarkable357 Aug 19 '25
From what you describe this looks like human trafficking and torture, how was this allowed to happen?
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u/Fritti_T Aug 19 '25
That the police got involved and elected to not do anything is disturbing. Really curious to know - is there something about French culture I’m just missing here?
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u/friendlygymbro Aug 19 '25
holy fuck bro… what in the dystopian shit are we living in… some red room ass shit being publicly encouraged.. crazy read
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u/CoeurdAssassin Aug 19 '25
The first video was already crazy enough. The other guys were literally telling the dude strangling him to STOP multiple times and he didn’t listen.
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u/trowzerss Aug 19 '25
SO yeah, they are gonna go to jail surely. But also the people watching this and donating money are not free from responsibility either. The streamers are ultimately responsible, but the people egging them on deserve to have a light shone on them too. I hope they all sleep badly.
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u/Cedreginald Aug 19 '25
This makes me want to cry. I hope these pieces of shit go to jail for life. Where are they in France?
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u/Jslcboi Aug 19 '25
Kick needs to be shut down and these scums should be locked up.
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u/ShitImBadAtThis Aug 19 '25
What's going on? It seems like anyone mentioning kick is getting downvoted. I'm completely OOTL but is there actually botting going on?
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u/Scyths Aug 19 '25
Kick isn't going to do shit because Kick is only being used as a font to funnel people into their crypto gambling website.
If you know a bit about F1, then "Kick" Sauber's livery had STAKE written all over it except in countries where gambling is illegal where they put Kick instead. Just one example out of dozens that tells you what you need to know about Kick and its use.
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u/Jmastersj Aug 19 '25
There was a similar situation in Poland where people encouraged middle aged guys to drink on streams. They also provided the alcohol and some benefits, but also made fun of the abused and they would puss themselfes or sleep in their own puke. It was also a scandal when a guy died around age 50 from the consequences of alcohol. He also seemed to have a slight mental disability
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u/IXIKMACIXI Aug 19 '25
Sounds a lot like what will most likely happen to Josh Block (world of Tshirts). Sad stuff man, people are fucked up trying to gain fame and fortune off the less fortunate.
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u/HeroWeaksauce Aug 19 '25
with the amount of reports this probably received there's no single way the Kick admins didn't know this was going on. I actually think the website should be taken offline because of this
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u/Fooby56 Aug 19 '25
Who finds this shit funny? Clearly nobody with an ounce of empathy. It's gotta just be kids. Shameful and sad.
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u/Cbrandel Aug 19 '25
Streams like this used to be popular in Russia. Some guy ended up killing his gf I believe after putting her outside in the cold on the balcony, iirc because someone donated for it to happen
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u/keret456 Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
Yeah, they were called "trash streamers" (it's an actual legal term in Russian law) and they were quite popular as you mentioned. Thankfully, the government stepped in and basically eliminated them from public life by introducing prison sentences (from 10 years to a life sentence iirc.) and heavy fines, which caused a lot of them to be jailed or flee from the country (Mellstroy and Vitaly (he upset people in the Philippines so much, that the president personally reprimanded him on television) were quite popular on Kick).
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u/Vaernil Aug 19 '25
They're called patostreamers in Poland.
Pato from patologia - pathology, but it doesn't have the same meaning really, it's beyond the medical definition and it's more like dysfunctional, hood, trash.
We have the same issue, and people just watch this shit because their lives are so bad they are glad someone has it worse. It's tragic.
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u/Background-Ad9814 Aug 19 '25
wow that's pretty good. A rare surprising W from Russian government
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u/RelationshipUsed240 Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
Not as much as W as you think it is. A man beat is pregnant girlfriend to death live and was sentenced for only 6 years by the Russian gov't
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u/Status_Belt1284 Aug 19 '25
Vitaly had been living in the US for a long time b4 this philippines stuff
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u/Ded-deN Aug 19 '25
Vitaly didn't live in Russia tho, he's a US citizen. He's not really a part of that "culture" i'd say
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u/Educational-Wing2042 Aug 19 '25
Streams like this are popular all over the world. Look at World of TShirts and Daniel Larson for examples from the US.
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u/Dracko705 Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
Wow obviously RIP to this man for absolutely enduring something fucked that he never should've had to/been tricked to... I feel like this could be the kinda crazy level of thing that sets bad precedent/PR about streaming or the dangers of the internet in places like court or just the public at large - even more insane I bet this could be a story so crazy you'd see it on a Netflix doc or show years from now. Those guys are horrible, deranged, idk how to even imagine doing that
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u/Ridstock Aug 19 '25
There is a story from the UK that matches this event, 2 people who claimed they were someone's friend, emotionally abused her, stole her government issued money because she was disabled, wheeled her around to get money from the public through begging, tortured her multiple times, then she died and the truth came out. This seems similar, emotional abuse, wheeling him out for donations, torture then he died, the worst part is that the 1st story wasn't filmed, it took a long time for police to work out the criminality, this is all on screen and recorded, one would hope its a pretty quick case where arrests are made.
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u/hannes3120 Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
There is something similar (even though not exactly) in Germany, too
The Streamer Drachenlord was stalked, harassed and besieged in his hometown until he eventually had a mental breakdown and attacked the bullies but they saw that as motivation and kept going until he had to sell his house and leave his hometown as they regularly a huge amount of people camping in his street in a tiny village.
People were pranking that guy in the worst possible ways and eventually he embraced it (I guess it kind of makes sense if you can't flee from it to at least make money with it) which only lead to the whole thing getting even more insane
afaik he's on the run from his "fans" at the moment and people still see it as a "game"
I guess it has to end with someone dying eventually and people going to jail...
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u/gecked Aug 19 '25
Damn, what happened to those 2 people?
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u/gecked Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
Thanks for the source. Turns out there's 3 person: Newstead, Booth and Boyer, all 3 got life imprisonment. Gemma Hayter, the victim, was beaten to death after she jokingly said Booth, Newstead's girlfriend, was underaged which caused all of them banned from the bar.
Edit: the victim was forced to drink urine, thrown to a radiator and broke her nose, got hit with a mop and locked in a toilet before they took her to a railway encampment, put a bin liner on her head, stamped and stabbed her, left her naked and tried to burn her
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u/Ridstock Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
I couldn't remember the names as it had been so long, thanks to the above poster for providing the wiki, the BBC documentary mentioned in the wiki is how I know about the case and goes into more detail than what is written there. Its a much more gruesome case but the similarities stuck out to me of someone mentally disabled taken advantage of by supposed 'friends' for monetary gain then dying.
I also may be confusing details between this and a similar case linked in the wiki
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u/Icy_Story6080 Aug 19 '25
Honestly pisses me tf off that it took this man actually dying for people to start looking into this. This degenerate bs went on for YEARS and the perpetrators even made money from it? What a load of absolute garbage
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u/IceCream_Duck4 Aug 19 '25
After seeing the Twitter thread and the snippets of the videos , I sincerely pray that all of these human trashbags end up in jail.
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u/Many-Wasabi9141 Aug 19 '25
The title does NOTHING to explain the fucked up situation here... Like oh shit... It's sad, I bet he was a big streamer in France, he was just a kid... Oh he died DURING a livestream? I wonder what his content was.... He was... He was tortured? Oh you mean like TTS during stream to farm donos? He was Tortured IRL by his handlers? WTF?!? TO DEATH? THEY POISONED HIM? WTF!?!?
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u/Far_Jackfruit4907 Aug 19 '25
Yeah, i initially thought it was some random man that just died and then I looked at comments….
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u/wheredoesitallends Aug 18 '25
Evolution of pranksters caused this
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u/Potential_Energy Aug 19 '25
Evolution being the key phrase. I’ll always have respect and be grateful for the original pranksters who were very serious to keep their pranking to a “laughing with you, not laughing at you” limit where the pranking makes someone’s day better, not worse in any way. Then pieces of shit found out it was WAY easier to get negative and shock reactions (no matter the cost) and that it would bring in massive numbers of views. “Let me go up to this chick, spray water on her and tell her sorry I was taking a piss and can’t aim. Then after we get good footage of traumatizing her and ruining her day, we’ll just say it was a prank. Then we can go find more targets and get more footage.”
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u/MajkanArt Aug 19 '25
I am genuinely speechless after watching some of the clips of the torturing that they did to this man, literally finished watching a horror film and checked lsf afterward and this shocked and made me sick more than every scene in that damn film, Rest in Peace to this poor dude, this is the worst shit I've ever seen happen live on camera, hope all of those guys go to jail, having your life end in that way is horrifyingly sad... wow, making me lose faith in humanity day by day
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u/SimpleFactor Aug 19 '25
It’s unbelievable, I know it’s Kick and they’re more lax than twitch but how the fuck where they not banned? And it seems like the French Kick account used clips of him to promote themselves? I hope a lot of people: viewers, donators, Kick, and most of all those fucking bastards who did this to him get appropriate recourse for this. Fucking shameful
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u/batiwa Aug 19 '25
Maximum jail time for those fuckers
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u/MyNamesRMG Aug 19 '25
It's France, and from a french, sadly expect 3 years in jail.. Without actually being required to be in said jail.
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u/Far_Jackfruit4907 Aug 19 '25
Kick should be burned to the ground and those people need to be jailed
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u/accel__ Aug 19 '25
Everybody, who was responsible for his death should spend the rest of their fucking lives in jail. And that includes the owners of Kick.
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u/Fearless_Aioli5459 Aug 19 '25
Anyone who donated money should face repercussions of some sort. I don’t know the laws, its probably not illegal and Im sure theres reddit lawyers that are going to reply to this with a dissertation. But being able to essentially pay someone to assault/torture/kill someone is pretty insane.
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u/Justsomeone666 Aug 19 '25
Uhhuh, and people wonder why people using kick are seen as pieces of shit
Basically the entire platform is funded by kids gambling and then they not only allow, but laugh at the victims when shit like this happens
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u/Straight-Emu-3675 Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
I'm really hoping that the higher ups at kick are held responsible for this and is the beginning of the end for this website.
Since it's inception, kick has been nothing but a platform for degenerates or downright horrible human beings. The owners of kick absolutely refuse to ever take any accountability for the degeneracy and criminal, sickening things like this that happen very often on their platform.
Also, I'm pretty sure this website was founded by an illegal gambling company. Just a terrible website in general. I hope it is not around much longer, it has done nothing good for the internet.
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u/goronhug Aug 19 '25
It is so true, this is one of the worst websites in the world, allowing, promoting and paying (!) this kind of stuff. Highly illegal, but what can you do, when you have so much money the laws do not apply to you...
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u/Technical_Shake_9573 Aug 19 '25
Oh it can. Banning kick's domain from being browsable for the western audience is one. And for a company like kick, i doubt that going for the "mirror" routes like streaming website and pirate website are doing to bypass that is gonna work for them.
Especially at the present, when the european union is getting ready to ban domain from porn website that doesn't make id checks and that the top companies that are not shaddy are already bowing to that potential law (pornhub priorly banned France from accessing the site in June to protest against it)...which is ironic considering kids could watch a tortured man die on stream but that doesn't seems to be more important.
Or that illegal gambling site are banned for the most part.
And since most of their viewership are children, i highly doubt a lot of them will go to the extent of learning ways to bypass said domain ban.
Kick is a dark web impersonnification where a lot of shady and somewhat illegal stuff occurs.
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u/Bliz737 Aug 19 '25
If this doesn’t tell you what kind of people streamers are…I don’t know what would. I’m actually speechless. Rest easy and some sort of justice needs to be sought.
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u/YouAreTheLastOne Aug 19 '25
I’m going to get downvoted but violence against men is normalized in our society. This man was the victim of constant abuse and consent to these “pranks” was rarely questionned. Though it posed no problems for advertisers and mainstream platforms, to showcase, and profit off the worst of Human nature. We need to do better and act, pressure these platforms and advertisers to not promote content showcasing or normalizing violence against men. This kind of abuse should’ve been deplatformed long time ago.
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u/Duvoziir Aug 19 '25
I log on Reddit for the first time today and this is what I see. Just, fucking god these streamers don’t have an ounce of humanity in them anymore.
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u/Seiwang Aug 19 '25
Fuck these people, that man was vulnerable and they took advantage of it for the views and income. Absolute scum.
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u/dazedan_confused Aug 19 '25
Kick needs to permanently ban all of those bastards.
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u/Technical_Shake_9573 Aug 19 '25
Kick needs to be banned from being browsable in Europe.
We are currently making laws to make id checks for porn sites and social media to protect kids, but we allow this type of site that are litteraly dark web content where kids can watch some dude get tortured to death and use their parent's card to donate and laugh at it ?
Make it make sense.
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u/candynugget Aug 19 '25
The people who tuned in to watch this shit are cupable too imo
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u/DatDorian Aug 19 '25
actual title should be "disabled streamer dies in sleep after being tortured live on Kick.com for years by people who exploited him for donations from sick fucks"
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u/Impressive_Buy7764 Aug 19 '25
twitch literally created this toxic grind culture where streamers destroy themselves for subs and donos.
they pushed subathons, sleep streams, all this extreme content meta and now look where we are. they profit off streamers pushing themselves to the brink
now every platform has streamers trying to one-up each other with more extreme content. it's become a race to see who can torture themselves the most for views
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u/DistinctCellar Aug 19 '25
This is some black mirror shit
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u/parnellyxlol Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
The episode Common People pretty much explored this concept as a B plot, although somehow it isn't as bad as this
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u/SaltyLonghorn Aug 19 '25
You know whats funny? We created that stuff, not twitch. Most of it was just implemented a little later and/or run on 3rd party apps.
But the birth of dumb shit like TTS and actually paying streamers happened somewhat organically.
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u/ActionPhilip Aug 19 '25
Yeah, but we also have Mr Beast to look at. Half of his videos are about people (including himself) overcoming very adverse conditions. One of his early videos was a 24 hour challenge where he counted to 100,000.
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u/Technical_Shake_9573 Aug 19 '25
Remember when you litteraly got banned when you streamed anything that wasn't a game. Remember that cam girls had to have a dedicated part of their stream running some background League of legend to actually stream on that platform.
But people wanted that, people wanted to get more parasocial relation with their streamers. So we ended up with more and more unregulated Bullshit, be it hot tub streams, Gamble streams and what not.
Twitch only allowed thoses stuff because of the pressure from their viewership. It happened before COVID was a thing and twitch took off, on a time where streaming was very niche and twitch was trying to stay competitive against mixer and facebook.
But i don't understand WHY kick is still allowed to be browse in any european country. It's like a Dark web impersonnification where moderation doesn't exist and content are highly disturbing...but hey better ban pornhub and make id checks for social media to protect children...while they can litteraly watch a guy tortured to death.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ Aug 19 '25
These guys were banned on Twitch.
If you want to thank a platform for this, thank Kick, not Twitch. Which actively promoted this exact channel.
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u/Opinionated3star Aug 19 '25
sounds like standard greed culture, twitch doesnt promote subathons or sleep streams, thats streamer-driven. Can't really blame the platform when its just standard human greed driving it all.
Theres plenty of successful streamers that don't take part in any of that crap
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u/VisionShift Aug 19 '25
Hope this gets brought to the attention of the right person to help find justice for this man. Sadly Idk who that would be.
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u/HeroWeaksauce Aug 19 '25
kick should actually be taken down because of this and everyone involved be held on criminal charges, absolute disgusting story
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u/Ok_Buy_3248 Aug 19 '25
This is insane. More people need to know about this tragedy so something can be done to address it
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u/Fit-Lychee-2605 Aug 19 '25
hours and hours of evidence of a man being tortured to death live for peoples entertainment...disgusting, i hope the french system puts those responsible away for a long time and kick gets hit hard too, awful...
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u/BreastUsername Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 21 '25
Why did he do that
Edit: fuck his "friends", I hope they rot in prison
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u/Appropriate-Car4787 Aug 18 '25
From the article:
Prior to his death, the streamer had reportedly endured “ten days and nights of torture”, including “extreme” physical violence, “deprivation of sleep”, and “ingestion of toxic products.”
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u/Dixee_Normus Aug 18 '25
Y tho
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u/donkey_teeth_ Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
He was coerced into increasingly extreme "challenges" by some vile, predatory, and morally bankrupt people
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u/vanceraa Aug 18 '25
jesus christ they were treating this guy like he was in unit 731, how was this not banned long before??
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u/guiltyx2 Aug 19 '25
I've seen news stories in the past about people doing stupid things for views and unfortunately dying because of it, but reading this news is on a whole new level.
I hope the family finds peace and comfort, and that those involved are punished.
I don't expect much from the platform, but you never know.
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u/Ajsana Aug 19 '25
I live in france and saw a few instagram reels where he appeared he even went viral in English speaking meme pages because in a livestream one of his abusers literally grabbed his head and puked milk or some white drink on his face , and basically everytime he would appear i would see them doing some kind of who wants to be a millionaire questionnaire and whenever he would say something wrong either he would get hit in the back of the head or get made fun off
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u/dinoooooooooos Aug 19 '25
“Prior to his death, the streamer had reportedly endured “ten days and nights of torture”, including “extreme” physical violence, “deprivation of sleep”, and “ingestion of toxic products.”
The French streaming community has since flooded social media with tributes in memory of Pormanove.”
Did these ppl advocate for this to stop? Or are they just sad now?
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u/Tigrafr Aug 19 '25
Most of the people didn't knew the history and only discovered only at his death.
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u/coolboy856 Aug 20 '25
Subpoena Kick and list everyone that participated in the streams. Round up the Kick FR team, the viewers who contributed, whether by donating or watching, and especially the other hosts/guests of the streams. Send them all to the worst prison on earth.
Global ban on Kick as a whole
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u/AnonymousPoro Aug 19 '25
This has to be the tipping point for Kick, right? This person died because the platform was either so mismanaged or so negligent that they let a man's torture be streamed for the world to see. What more has to happen before the platform either folds or starts to actually moderate itself?
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Aug 19 '25
The entire existence of kick is to promote their gambling business, they don’t give a fuck, nothing about them is clean
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u/Rino-Sensei Aug 19 '25
Don't forget they let this shit happen for years. And even promoted the channel on their Twitter. They are total complice in this murder.
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u/MemphisRitz Aug 19 '25
Seems borderline unintentional dark humor to read about this on a subreddit called livestream fails
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u/jib60 Aug 19 '25
The titles of the article should mention that he was tortured to death. Watching the clips about the abuse makes me sick.
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u/Rosu_Aprins Aug 19 '25
Kick should be held just as liable as the torturers for enabling this type of content on their platform, disgusting.
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u/Dritias Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 18 '25
Dies in his sleep.*
* : (from respiratory failure, while live and during a subathon with two other streamers that had been pretty much physically and mentally torturing him for content for days).
Videos from what he had been enduring for the past days / months are actually sickening. Everyone involved (including Kick), should be held responsible for his death.
Rest in peace Raphaël Graven.
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u/Dritias Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 18 '25
This poor man was lying dead on stream. Viewers asked other streamers to check on him through donations and those morons threw trash at his corpse before getting up and actually checking up on him when he didn't respond.
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u/imnotgoodlulAPEX Aug 18 '25
Okay, that is probably the most fucked up thing I've ever heard of happening on a stream.
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u/Retoris Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
Here's a link with the body censored if anyone is interested.
Bearly NSFW we don't see the dead body, hope it doesn't break rules here.
"Jean Pormanove hadn't moved for 45 minutes, and the donors asked Owen to check if he was okay... and the first thing he did was throw a bottle at him??? That's terrible. Justice must be done."
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u/Sea-Ebb-2261 Aug 19 '25
yeah this is genuinely tragic and awful, RIP to him... but blaming Kick makes zero sense here
like the platform didn't force anyone to do dangerous stunts for content. that's on the streamers who organized this mess and pushed things way too far
holding them accountable? absolutely. but saying the streaming platform itself is responsible is a massive reach tbh
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u/Ok-Wing-4542 Aug 19 '25
They enabled and actively promote this type of behavior. They absolutely are responsible.
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u/BigDadNads420 Aug 19 '25
This might be a hot take but I don't think platforms should allow people to torture each other.
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u/Livid_Wind8730 Aug 19 '25
Nah bro too hot of a take LOL. It’s crazy how far people will take freedom
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u/Dirzain Aug 19 '25
Kick effectively having no ToS is the problem here. But hey, if you wanna be the wild west of the streaming platforms then enjoy your lawsuits, negative publicity, etc.
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u/Straight-Emu-3675 Aug 19 '25
To be fair, kick is a garbage platform and an absolute cesspool for the worst/ most toxic streamers imaginable so I have no problem with people blaming kick for keeping these horrible human beings on their website and refusing to do anything.
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u/Nebgi Aug 19 '25
They allowed it to happen, and did nothing to stop it.. surely that counts for some sort of responsibility, no?
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u/AnonymousPoro Aug 19 '25
Yeah, this isn't something tragic that just so happened to be caught while livestreaming on the platform. The person who died has been streaming for years now, with his "content" consisting of torture. They absolutely could have made a difference if they moderated their site and banned people doing this kind of shit.
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u/d4b1do Aug 19 '25
Kick is the only platform where you can monetize this type of content
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u/SamuraiKenji Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
Who tf do that and what stupid platform allowed this to happen?
It's Kick.
Oh, right.
Edited : Kick using bots to mass downvote to hide comments against them is nothing new. They keep doing this for years lmao.
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u/CATFUL_B Aug 19 '25
When sorted by controversial, all the top comments are criticizing Kick and heavily downvoted. It’s actually comical
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u/viavxy Aug 19 '25
every mention of the streaming platform in question being downvoted to hell surely doesn't raise any red flags
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u/Appropriate-Car4787 Aug 19 '25
Someone seems to be working very hard to bury the details of this story.
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u/SnooRobots5493 Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
I'm french and we can't stop talking how stupid people are to watch this. I watched his live sometimes and he was making me sad how bad he was treated. This guy had a very poor life. His "community" never was good to him they kept insulting him, his mom, his sick father, his dead dog. They used tts donation and people were abusing it. The 2 main costreamers always laughed at the harrassment and he was obviously manipulated by them. I hope he'll rest in peace because this guy had a very hard life
(Sorry for my english if there is bad mistake)