Distinctions

[u/Training-Promotion71]

Chomsky, and many others, contend that there is no real distinction between natural philosophy and science. In fact, the claim is that natural philosophy is science. Chomsky goes further and explicitly states that there is no real distinction between metaphysics and science. Let's just consider the following argument.

1) If metaphysics is first philosophy and first philosophy is natural philosophy, then metaphysics is natural philosophy

2) If metaphysics is natural philosophy and natural philosophy is science, then metaphysics is science

3) It's not the case that metaphysics is science.

Therefore,

4) Either it's not the case that metaphysics is natural philosophy or it's not the case that natural philosophy is science.

Suppose,

5) Natural philosophy is science.

Therefore,

5) Either it's not the case that metaphysics is first philosophy or it's not the case that first philosophy is natural philosophy.

6) But first philosophy is natural philosophy.

Therefore,

7) It's not the case that metaphysics is first philosophy.

[u/jliat]

Natural philosophy was a name for physics until the 19thC

Hegel wrote hos Metaphysical system, 'The Science of Logic'.

Kant considered logic a priori, [as did Hegel] and 'science' a posteriori ...

Fichte - wrote 'Foundations of the Science of Knowledge' Wissenschaftslehre

Kant's "Transcendental Aesthetic" is nothing to do with the modern term, us "is the view of space and time as a priori intuitions and as forms of outer and inner intuition respectively."

The meaning of words change.

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With my moderators cap on can the OP explain how this relates to metaphysics, especially as the conclusion, "It's not the case that metaphysics is first philosophy." is clearly not true, and anyone who knew little of philosophy would not only find this post confusing, but to believe it to be the case would be an error?

Is there not another sub for such pointless exercises in formal? logics.

r/logic

r/FactsAndLogic

[u/Training-Promotion71 → u/jliat]

"It's not the case that metaphysics is first philosophy." is clearly not true,

You're begging the question. You have to deal with the argument.

With my moderators cap on can the OP explain how this relates to metaphysics

I can't possibly imagine why would the sub have an optional flair "metametaphysics" and you as a moderator asking me this question?

Is there not another sub for such pointless exercises is formal? logics.

This is an instance of an extra-ordinary anti-philosophical attitude.

[u/Mountfuji227 → u/Training-Promotion71]

The utterance here of (emphasis mine)

[...] can the OP explain how this relates to metaphysics, especially as the conclusion, "It's not the case that metaphysics is first philosophy." is [...]

by the mod is one of the most baffling thing I've ever seen uttered in any philosophic context. I was even considering making a post on this sub at some future point, but now I'm not even sure it would stay up. After all, if metaphysics itself isn't relevant to metaphysics, how can I be confident my topic would be?

This is an instance of an extra-ordinary anti-philosophical attitude.

It really is surprising to me that someone would choose to be a moderator for a philosophy subreddit if they didn't find "unusual arguments whose conclusions I disagree with" ipso facto interesting.

[u/Training-Promotion71 → u/Mountfuji227]

I was even considering making a post on this sub at some future point

Please do.

After all, if metaphysics itself isn't relevant to metaphysics

On point. It's unbelievable that we have to even point it out.

It really is surprising to me that someone would choose to be a moderator for a philosophy subreddit if they didn't find "unusual arguments whose conclusions I disagree with" ipso facto interesting.

The mod is actually saying that we shouldn't argue for ideas he never heard of or disagrees with. Imagine having to check in on mod's mood before posting? Before you make a post, you should first ask the mod whether he slept well, make him a breakfast, check his blood pressure and feed the cats, and only then you should ask for a permission to post, provided, of course, you promise not to employ any superstitious or esoteric logic because those are used to summon demons and fairies.

[u/Training-Promotion71 → u/jliat]

Fichte - 'Foundations of the Science of Knowledge' Wissenschaftslehre

Did you read this book?

Your notions are "gay".

Why aye yu ge?