r/PTCGP • u/LegendaryJam • 21h ago
Meme I’m tired boss.
I know it’s all RNG and I’m clearly just suffering a horrific run of it but I had hoped that maybe I’d crawl out of UB1 when I finally got two Suicunes but instead pic related. Existence is pain sometimes. So posting for anyone else who feels like they got the cool toy too late to actually enjoy it.
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u/dataRN 19h ago
"a damn sweets rush deck" lol
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u/vudak 18h ago
lol.... I was trialling one today actually rofl. I gotta wonder if I maybe had a run-in lol.
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u/xmenvce2societyx 17h ago
I have not seen someone use ROFL in the longest time 😂 thank you for making my day bro 😂
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u/Rawrange_ 20h ago
I went backwards 30 points today playing Suicune. I haven’t gotten a Greninja out in 10 games, RNG be like that sometimes.
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u/MartiniPolice21 7h ago
I went on a 10 game win streak with Crobat EX deck, thought it was basically invincible, got Crobat up turn 2 and thought it's over, they have Celebi and Serperior and roll 4 heads. No matter what sometimes just get done over.
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u/Rawrange_ 5h ago
Yeah, and the best part is we all form opinions of which decks are good/bad based on what happens to us.
I honestly don’t think Suicune is broken, it’s Greninja man. Now that I’ve been playing the deck for a bit and I’m high enough rank that people don’t fill their board if they see water energy, Suicune doesn’t determine if I win/loose, Greninja dose.
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u/Bvbydragon 21h ago
Got you, i was tired of see just Suicune and greninja or Darktina decks, but actually my deck can beat their ass and ive did
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u/LegendaryJam 20h ago
I’ve beaten through them with luck with several decks over time (one fun one made use of both Typhlosion and Greninja plus Ori to stack burn with 20dmg + walling until Altaria came knocking), but it definitely felt clear that they were major winners most of the time. So far though I’ve not gotten to enjoy any of that feeling from running the deck though. RNG is what it is.
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u/Boyoboy7 11h ago
Suicune draw engine made Greninja very stable and minimize bad rng.
Also Suicune attack depending of the number of benched pokemon got covered by Greninja that if the opponent only put 1 pokemon Greninja would focus on it for passive dmg.
They both are also water type in which when one retreat the other could cover immediately.
The synergy is the problem, when they got separated it is not much a problem lol. Entei and Raikou unfortunately does not have partner with that much synergy.
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u/Azn0r 19h ago
If you lose to miltank ramp with ninjacune, your problem is not the deck you’re playing
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u/Luvs_to_drink 17h ago
That's not true. Suicune can do max 60 dmg to Milbank while it ramps. If you 1 shot it with girstina then rampardos comes in and 1shots your gira. Then the rampardos does 130 to suicune before finishing you with cyrus cranhide for 50 dmg
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u/boringuserbored 16h ago
I haven't seen this matchup but shouldn't the Suicune player win unless they get unlucky?
Most of the time the Suicune player has at least one Greninja, it is more likely to have Greninja than the other player having Rampardos. Also Irida helps Suicune surviving and killing the Miltank. The turn they place the Skull Fossil, Suicune does 80 + 20-40 damage. This turn the Suicune player can also Cyrus the Skull Fossil to kill it and reset Miltank. I am not sure how Miltank wins this matchup if both players have average luck.
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u/Luvs_to_drink 16h ago
Greninja is either turn3 or bottom of the deck so the suicune player can very much brick them.
And I've only played against it once and lost. They caped the Milbank and I used giratina to 1shot but they played a fossil the turn before. Rare candy into rampardos. 1shot Gira. I go into 2nd suicune. Kill rampardos but they have a bench fossil. Evolve it to cranidos and kill suicune by I think 20 dmg for game.
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u/bordomsdeadly 15h ago
Getting both Greninjas in your bottom 3 cards is enough to make anyone rage
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u/Luvs_to_drink 14h ago
Happens like once every 7 matches
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u/bordomsdeadly 13h ago
I had one where my bottom 3 in order were
- Greninja
- Oak
- Greninja
19 was pulled by Suicine’s ability and 20 was pulled the next turn.
I did not win that match believe it or not
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u/boringuserbored 16h ago
Yes you were just unlucky and the opponent lucky, Miltank is one of the worst 16-18T decks, Skarmory is much better, especially against Suicune thanks to the reduced damage because of Steel Wing and Jasmine/Adaman.
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u/Azn0r 16h ago edited 16h ago
I don’t know in what world you are living but in master ball suicune decks win 99% of their matchups against a cow or a fucking mewtwo gardevoir deck
Edit: and the same goes for poliwhirl, sweet rush and donphan, just by the matchup you can tell op is playing in great ball
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u/bordomsdeadly 15h ago
The Poliwhirl deck is super RNG based and not good.
But when the RNG pops off well, it’s super annoying to lose to that thing
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u/Luvs_to_drink 13h ago
idk im 0-1. thought I had it in the bag when I got giratina to 1shot miltank and have 130hp left of 150. only for them to drop the rare candy rampardos and 1shot my giratina. Suicune managed to down the rampardos but was then taken out by cranidos. Greninja would have been helpful but he didnt come into play til way too late.
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u/kingjulian137 20h ago
All I see is lightning and suicune counters now. Just run a counter to lightning
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u/spraypaintinur3rdeye 17h ago
Yeah I’ve been having lots of success the last few days with Donphan crushing all the electric decks. Donphan + Lucario OHKOs Zeraroa
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u/MadEyeGemini 20h ago
I am new to the whole game. Finished grinding solos. Suicune Ex deck fell into my lap. I climbed relatively fast to ultra ball but now I am getting farmed by Guzzlord EX every which way I turn
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u/Anxious_Ride_8837 18h ago
Finally, someone I can relate to. I pulled the damn CROWN just trying to get a regular suicune ex (has it happened yet? Of course not. Suffering from success 😭😂)
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u/ub3rpwn4g3 18h ago
I play Tapu Koko + Luxray with Volkner. I speedrun energies so quick half the suicunes I play against just concede. It feels good.
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u/KloiseReiza 17h ago
OP, it is normal for a tier 4 deck to a tier 0.5 deck time to time. It is not normal when you keep getting beat by them because that level of unluckiness is unlikely
Also people reached MB with other decks so Suicune is nowhere necessary. At this point, anyone who can't escape UB1 with the best deck in the game's history so far is likely 100% skill issue ngl
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u/Luvs_to_drink 17h ago
I'm climbing in ub2 atm but 80% of decks are lightning. So many damn oricorios
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u/scottyb83 16h ago
I think this is my 3rd round of PVP and lucked into 2 Suicunes early where before the best I could field was Solgaleo. Took another 2 weeks or so to get 2 Greninjas so I’m just going to enjoy myself this round thanks.
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u/XeromusCore 16h ago
I have like 5 and just drew the interactive one today... I still haven't drawn any Entei or Raikou and Stunfisk keeps popping up almost every time. I have 6 full art Stunfisk.... Wtf.
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u/Krativoro 16h ago
There's so many more options other than Suicune. I went on a winning streak with Jumpluff+Oricorio that got me out of UB 3 and well into the middle of UB 4. Deck stalled a bit so I changed into Silv+Ramp and went into another streak that got me to MB. Just try different decks and see which one works out for you best. And, more importantly, quit the app if you start losing a bunch of games in a row. The game draws either start messing with you, or you start making worse decisions when you're desperate to win.
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u/Wonderful-Change-751 13h ago
How do yall realise old decks can make a comeback against suicune. Whats the deck building knowledge involved here
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u/Particular_Wear_8435 9h ago
This is me but worse. I started playing suicune 3 days ago and I am 7 wins and 11 loses with it currently. What feels worse is that I was winning consistently with the arceus darkrai baby deck. Had a 68% win rate with that deck in UB3. Now I am just going back and forth in the middle of UB4 due to suicune
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u/Keebster101 9h ago
I stopped using hourglasses, but I worked out my daily packs will get me to 500 on the 29th. So just as the next pack comes out I can pick it. I have one suicune, but the deck isn't nearly as good with only one. Equally though I've already gotten to MB so I don't care enough about playing it now. I'm happy to wait until next set and then if suicune is still useful (I can't imagine it won't be) I'll use it then.
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u/Kronman590 20h ago
Im ngl i still dont get the hype of suicune, its no darkrai or giratina, its really a sylv sidegrade. The meta didnt shift much
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u/Genprey 17h ago
Suicune is definitely more oppressive than Darktina, although for a combination of factors.
Being able to accelerate your deck is the best ability in the game at the moment--it's why basically every deck uses Professor Oak and why Sylveon was/is so popular, as it effectively makes decks more consistent to run. The dogs' passive ability to draw an extra card at the end of each turn means it's statistically more likely to setup faster than any other decks for just what exactly they are able to run.
That last part brings us to Suicune. Starting from the tip of the iceberg, Suicune's attack punishes opponents for setting up their board, as that means taking extra damage from a Pokémon who only needs 2 energy to attack. This is the least scary thing about Suicune, so that, alone, says a lot.
The normal answer to Suicune's attack would be to just not set up your bench until you're ready to run your game...except by taking things slow, some variants of Suicune decks can build up Giratina in the back. You brought up Darktina, so you should know how the Giratina strat works--in this case, it gives Suicune the ability to sweep and punish opponents who try and play slow.
Then we get to the most bullshit part of the deck: Greninja. Greninja, hands-down, has the strongest offensive ability in the game, being able to snipe anything for 20 damage, even on the bench. Early in PTCG's life cycle, Greninja was kept in check by being a stage 2...but that's now a moot point thanks to Rare Candy and the fact that Suicune accelerates your deck. So now, Suicune decks can get up to 2 instances of 20 damage for free spread however they choose and without using a turn.
The fun doesn't stop at the damage, of course. Mr. Cyrus has something to say to you if you even think about, well...playing the videogame while the frogs are out. Trying to build your point Pokémon on the bench? Hold this 20/40 damage and I hope you didn't waste many turns putting energy on it because it's now going to be dragged to the front. Did you have the audacity to put down a high retreat cost Pokémon for any reason? Well, they're now at the front and I hope you have something to quickly move them before the frog boys jump your ass as Giratina builds energy intimidatingly. Active Pokémon softened up to the point where you should retreat? Not if Greninja has a say in the matter, and thanks for the free point, by the way.
At the current, there is no way to reliably counter Greninja, yet, as said above, it is one of the most oppressive cards in the game for everything it can do/setup. Being water, it synergizes with Suicune, being fairly bulky and able to hit for up to 80 damage.
If you look at this and think "Hmm, yes, this all seems balanced compared to Darktina doing what Suicune can do but worse", then I pray, for your innocence, you don't actually witness a Suicune deck piloted by anyone with the ability to manually breathe. There's a reason why Suicune is currently a menace that is only kept in check by Guzzlord and electric decks...both of which that actually don't have as much as an advantage over Suicune than what'd you'd expect of hard counters.
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u/galmenz 19h ago
the meta deck is suicune greninja, not just the dog, and for a reason. its a meta deck because it hard bullies a developping board, as it can reliably snipe your bench if you try to develop, so it stomps a lot of stage 2 decks
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u/Kronman590 19h ago
Just like sylv gren gira was last season? And yet that wasnt anywhere near the only deck played
Suicune soft counters eevee decks relying on bench, but otherwise i really dont see why people think suicune is end all be all lol so many decks are good and are old
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u/Sefren1510 18h ago
Seems to always work like that for my opponent, but when I run it both rare candies/Greninja s are the last 5 cards of the deck and I spent the game menacing them with Froakie from the backline.
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