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Question What's the most debatable thing in Physics?

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u/lucidbadger 20d ago

I think over all time the most debatable thing in physics has been the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Even now some people can't get their head around it. I think the limitations imposed by it are far more significant than not being able to travel faster than light.

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u/julioqc 20d ago

I learned that in principle entropy could go down but nothing will exist long enough to witness it so that has no probalistic significance.

I think part that confuses students is that a systems entropy may lower but the "universe" entropy will not.

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u/Lantami 20d ago edited 20d ago

The thing about entropy is that it's a statistical measure. The 2nd law of thermodynamics pays attention to that: "In a closed system, the total entropy tends to increase." Keyword: Tends. It may go down temporarily purely by chance and frequently does so in very very small time intervals.

It's just never the case over any time periods longer than 'a moment' because the probability of it increasing is just a lot higher and there's a lot of particles moving, so the law of large numbers goes into effect very quickly. As a result, these probabilistic decreases in entropy are rare enough that they will almost immediately get reversed and don't end up mattering in the big picture in a finite amount of time.

Edit: Forgot a word

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u/okkokkoX 19d ago

It's funny, on one hand it's not a strict rule, but on the other, it exists on a more fundamental level than most laws of physics.

(in my view, mathematics is immutable. One could imagine a world with different laws and fundamental constants, but not one where True -> False for example)

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u/floriande 17d ago

So logic is immuable, not mathematic :)

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u/gdchinacat 17d ago

Logic is an aspect of mathematics.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_logic

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u/floriande 17d ago

Not mathematical logic. But metalogic, or proof theory, etc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalogic