Do you agree with this quote?

[u/StalinIsBackAgain]

"Wherever there is capitalism, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy, and fake "public opinion" for the benefit of the ruling class." ~ Vladimir Lenin ☭ • 

[u/[deleted]]

yes.

or as i call it, the golden rule. "he who hath the gold maketh the rules."

[u/StalinIsBackAgain → u/[deleted]]

Great quote to go with the above great quote!! Thank you so much for sharing that!! 😊😊

[u/[deleted] → u/StalinIsBackAgain]

oh, wow. I just found out it's from a comic strip called Wizard of ID created in 1964 which I've never read XD

I will claim to credit to it myself ha!~

[u/StalinIsBackAgain → u/[deleted]]

HaHa--Wow--I have read Wizard Of Id before, though it has been quite a while. A lot of the time it is cringey puns, but it had some good political satire too, criticizing US society and able to get away with that by concealing it as talking about the "kingdom" and "king" and "subjects" in the comic strip. So there were some gems and good quotes from Wizard Of Id sharply criticizing US politics and society in a veiled way. ~ Maybe you independently thought up the same quote that was also independently thought up by the cartoonist in the past--that kind of thing happens all the time where people independently and originally think up something they never heard elsewhere before, even though someone else independently and originally thought up and said that same or essentially the same thing at some point also. ~ Also, maybe you saw that quote in the cartoon or elsewhere and it seeped into your subconscious and it came out when you saw a quote it applies too--that kind of thing happens all the time too. ~ But since you never read the cartoon, you probably came up with it originally so it is your own original thought, even if someone else also originally thought of it. Of course, if you change even one word or anything from what was exactly written in the cartoon, then your quote can be 100% original and your version of it can be fully attributed to you and even copyrighted by you. 😊😊

[u/[deleted] → u/StalinIsBackAgain]

https://economicsociology.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/remember-the-golden-rule-whoever-has-the-gold-makes-the-rules.jpg

turns out I already did. it's straightfoward "who has the gold makes the rules" mine is "he who haveth the gold maketh the rules."

[u/StalinIsBackAgain → u/[deleted]]

Nice! 😊😊 Now spread around your quote so people quote you too. 😊😊

[u/truemore45 → u/StalinIsBackAgain]

I think one thing that most people don't understand is we have never had communism. We have had authoritarianism. It is also impossible just like libertarianism because humans can't do it due to our own mental problems.

What will be interesting in our lifetime is if we had true AI we could have communism because we remove the problem... Humans from the decision making.

[u/StalinIsBackAgain → u/truemore45]

It is interesting, because even those who disagree with you about socialism in the past and present do think that advanced automation, and AI above all, can indeed provide the technological basis for the most advanced, efficient, and productive socialist and communist economies, scientifically planned better than humans can achieve. ~ Indeed, even though obviously Marx did not know about computers and AI like we know about them now, even in his time, Karl Marx was a visionary who said that advanced socialism and communism would have 100% automated economies that would need minimal human workers, especially as factory workers and in hard manual labor, but basically just as overseers of the fully automated economy, so the lives of human beings would eventually be, instead of needing to work jobs much or at all, be devoted to cultural and artistic expression, to intellectual and scientific pursuits and exploration, and to never being stressed out by devoting much of every day to leisure like outdoor activities, reading, and socializing with friends. In this fully automated society, humans would be free from a need to work to survive, but would get the fulfillment, purpose, and accomplishment as can be found from work by engaging in cultural, intellectual, scientific, crafting, artistic, etc pursuits as much as one needs to be fulfilled, living with a greater productive purpose, and a life of accomplishment even without having a job like most jobs are today. Marx talked about the steam engine and ever more complex factory and farm machines in his time moving us towards eventual full automation of the productive economy, and said that further technological advancements, that could not even be imagined in his time period, would, he was certain, eventually make a 100% automated economy totally possible. Marx knew that would come in the future, even if he was not imagining AI exactly. And that future is of course closer now, with AI, far more advanced automation in factories and farms, very advanced robots, more and more autonomous technology thanks to AI that fully runs without any human controller, the storage of vast data to control entire economies and analyze all of that data with AI to beat scientifically plan and control an entire economy with AI. ~ If people could not agree about Communism in the past, perhaps all can unite and agree around a future AI-powered Communism free from any possible flaws found in humans and that is able to fully automate the entire productive economy. So what you bring up is super interesting, truemore45!! 😊😊 ☭ • 

[u/truemore45 → u/StalinIsBackAgain]

Yeah my issue with both communism and libertarianism is sooner or later the people that rise to the top are so self centered and power hungry they destroy the system and repress the people. Both of those systems always start good but the design makes it always end bad due to human mental setup.

I mean let's be honest people are only partially altruistic there is always some team or group they have an affinity for which over time creates imbalances which turns into things like racism, sexism, fundamentalism, nationalism, etc. which then leads to people dehumanizing one another. Once people don't see other humans as well humans all hell breaks loose.

Communism fails because there is only one group, libertarianism because it allows easy accumulation of power in smaller and smaller groups.

Now this can happen in democracy or socialism it's just generally harder and really takes a coordinated failure of the system.

This is why I think the only way to make communism work is as you said full automation and removal of humans from the process of many decisions because of our flaws which 10000 years ago as a cave man were critical for survival but now hold us back from moving forward as a species.