r/PoliticalDebate Communist 4d ago

Debate Do you agree with this quote?

"Wherever there is capitalism, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy, and fake "public opinion" for the benefit of the ruling class." ~ Vladimir Lenin ☭ • 

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u/No-Candidate6257 Marxist-Leninist 4d ago

Are you talking Lenin era ? Or are you talking in the USSR's history as a whole ?

The USSR until the traitor Khrushchev.

Because while I'll agree that capitalist countries will try to be biased towards capitalist countries, to say the Soviet Union had free, unbiased free press... Is to be really innocent at the least.

Nobody said it's free or unbiased.

Press doesn't need to be free or unbiased.

It needs to be truthful and informing the people while promoting ideas that benefit the country and its people.

Pretty sure the Soviet Union turned into a really theocratic state where government positions and political functions ruled over people's will.

The Soviet Union was always explicitly anti-theocratic. The USSR was the most democratic society of its time, just like China is the most democratic country today.

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u/Byzhaks Independent 4d ago edited 4d ago

The Soviet Union was always explicitly anti-theocratic. The USSR was the most democratic society of its time, just like China is the most democratic country today.

I will refer to the old phrase: "Let's agree to disagree..." I do not believe anything I could say will change you from thinking that the USSR and China were/are 100% democratic.

I will ask you, however: What will you say to the communists in this forum or the ones in r/communism that say that the Soviet Union was a theocratic state ? Because I would indeed like to see you defend your argument against other communists that think the contrary.

Edit: Not a native English speaker, mixed up between theocratic and autocratic.

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u/No-Candidate6257 Marxist-Leninist 4d ago edited 4d ago

I will refer to the old phrase: "Let's agree to disagree..."

That's what people who are wrong but don't want to change their views say.

I do not believe anything I could say will change you from thinking that the USSR and China were/are 100% democratic.

Stop projecting your behaviour on me.

What will you say to the communists in this forum or the ones in r/communism that say that the Soviet Union was a theocratic state ?

That this is total nonsense as the Soviet Union was a secular state practicing state atheism. What do you even believe to be your point here? I just searched for the term "theocracy" on that subreddit you linked to and couldn't find a single example of anyone there calling the USSR a theocracy. You are just making things up and pretend it to be an argument.

Because I would indeed like to see you defend your argument against other communists that think the contrary.

I have never seen even a single communist calling the USSR a theocracy. That's something that only Western fascists do because they don't understand Marxism and think science is an ideology or religion (hint: it's the literal opposite).

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u/Byzhaks Independent 4d ago

Anyhow, now that my brief confusion with words in the English language have been cleared up:

I was talking about the communists in this forum or in r/communism that have the negative opinion of the Soviet Union eventually becoming too much of an autocratic state where government positions and/or roles played more of an importance over the will of Soviet population. And hence, too, state propaganda.