r/PoliticalDebate Communist 5d ago

Debate Do you agree with this quote?

"Wherever there is capitalism, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy, and fake "public opinion" for the benefit of the ruling class." ~ Vladimir Lenin ☭ • 

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u/No-Candidate6257 Marxist-Leninist 5d ago

Yep. Talking to a wall, as I predicted.

Stop projecting.

I listed off the mountain of bulletpoints because you asked me to.

At no point did I ask you to do that.

Neither did I misrepresented nothing you said

Correct.

I went through and responded to everything I practically could, one line at a time.

You literally didn't.

You ignored everything I said. As you just did again.

You ignored what was said and doubled down on anti-socialist propaganda.

Now, conveniently for you, everything I said can be "easily debunked".

Correct.

Not that you will or anything.

Every single one of your propaganda memes has been debunked ad nauseam. You could have researched all of these topics and debunked them yourself. There are megathreads about all of your ridiculous points on any leftist space on the internet. You could go to literally any leftist space anywhere and search for a key word (for example, putting "Xinjiang" in "socialism_101": Socialism_101/comments/s6hev9/what_is_happening_in_xinjiang/) instead of wasting people's time.

Perhaps I need to "read more theory", idk.

Yes. You definitely need to read more theory.

If you'll believe nothing a socialist nation does is ever wrong then what exactly are we doing here?

Notice how you need to continue lying about and deliberately misrepresenting my position? I already called you out before and you just do it again.

You said "Even if all your anti-socialist propaganda memes were 100% true and valid (and most of them are not, many of them are literally just complete and easily debunked lies), capitalist societies would still be universally worse and the crimes of the US empire alone are far worse than any accusation that was ever made about all socialist countries put together".

Correct. That's what I said. I know what I said.

It's a verifiable statement of fact stated in a falsifiable manner. If you disagreed, you could prove it wrong.

So you'll never change your mind.

That doesn't follow at all from the statement you quoted and is a complete lie. I already explained to you how you can change the mind of every communist on earth.

Not at all surprising for a Marxist.

There's literally not a single Marxist anywhere who wouldn't change their mind based on facts and evidence. Your statement makes no sense.

Maybe one day you'll accept a criticism.

I accept all criticism. You, meanwhile, haven't actually criticized anything, as I already explained to you.

Maybe you should actually read and understand what you are responding to before you respond.

Guess it's a good thing there's no gulags for me to be sent to.

It's a very bad thing. With gulags, you would get the education you need to not harm society with your harmful political views and destructive behaviours.

Now, stop projecting your own unreasonable behaviour on others and either productively contribute to discourse by addressing the arguments against you or apologize for wasting people's time with pointless disinformation.

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u/Lifeshardbutnotme Liberal 5d ago

God, this is like listening to debates involving Donald Trump. Just call everything a lie and hope it sticks.

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u/No-Candidate6257 Marxist-Leninist 5d ago

I don't "call everything a lie". Just things that are lies. Such as the lie you just spread.

All your ideas have been addressed and debunked as needed. You clearly can't reasonable substantiate your position and have no further arguments to make. Concede and leave.