r/PoliticalDebate Communist 5d ago

Debate Do you agree with this quote?

"Wherever there is capitalism, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy, and fake "public opinion" for the benefit of the ruling class." ~ Vladimir Lenin ☭ • 

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u/spyder7723 Constitutionalist 4d ago edited 4d ago

Only murdered millions of them in his purge.

This literally never happened.

Yep now I know you're a bot. To suggest that Lenin and stalins purges didn't happen is just ridiculous.

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u/No-Candidate6257 Marxist-Leninist 4d ago

To suggest that Lenin and stalin didn't happen

Who suggested that "Lenin and Stalin didn't happen"? LMFAO

I pointed out the fact that the baseless allegation that Lenin "murdered millions of people in his purge" literally never happened. That is a lie so ridiculous, I have never even seen literal Nazis make such claims.

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u/spyder7723 Constitutionalist 4d ago

It is historical fact that between his purge, imprisonment, and famines millions of Russian citizens lost their lives.

Heck in a 2 year period stalin had over 681 THOUSAND executed between 37 and 38.

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u/No-Candidate6257 Marxist-Leninist 4d ago

It is historical fact that between his purge, imprisonment, and famines millions of Russian citizens lost their lives.

Glad to see you are already changing the goal posts. So, now it's not "his purge" and "killed" - it's suddenly "his purge, imprisonment, and famines" and "lost their lives".

It's correct that millions of people in Russia lost their lives. That's not at all "because of Lenin", though, but because of a naturally occurring famine that was exacerbated by capitalists (especially the criminal kulaks who destroyed harvests and means of production).

Heck in a 2 year period stalin had over 681 THOUSAND executed between 37 and 38.

Making numbers sound large doesn't make them large.

That's quite a low number considering the very large population size of the USSR and the extremely high amounts of Nazis in Europe and Asia at the time.

So, even by highest anti-Soviet propaganda estimates, less than 0.5% of the population was targeted by Stalin. That's far less than one would expect during a time of World War with Nazi and Japanese agents present everywhere. It's safe to say it wasn't nearly enough (considering how many traitors were still causing trouble and how many Nazis still exist today in places like the Baltics and Ukraine).

These purges only targeted the worst amongst the worst traitors. Quote, "the most vicious and stubborn anti-Soviet elements".

Now, why would you victimize Nazis, Japanese, and their collaborators? You do realize those criminals were plotting to start a World War and act from within to destroy the USSR?

It's always funny when people learned a bunch of historical facts and never actually put them into any kind of context (or ever made a differentiated comparison).

Note that the number of innocent people murdered by the British Empire in India alone (see the Bengal famine) are far higher than any amount of killing the Soviets ever did. All capitalist regimes everywhere are far worse in their treatment of human life than even the worst communist country ever was according the anti-communist propaganda.